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Redbud33 said:
What is the minimum breaking strength allowed by ANSI? Isn’t in the same for all fall protection gear and expressed in kilonewtons? Like 23kn I’m guessing cuz a lot of biners are 24
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ANSI Z133-2017​

Arborist Climbing Ropes are required to have a minimum breaking strength of 5,400 lb (24 kN) when new, and the line's working elongation should not exceed 7% at 540 lb load. (In part)

And, cuz is not a word.
 
One thing that needs to be pointed out about that video is that it has much less to do with the tensile strength of that type of cordage, and mostly correlates to the ultra static nature of it. While I understand that there's some correlation, with more static ropes generally having higher MBS, but the extremely high MBS of HMPE products is different than that of a climbing, or even rigging rope. They're specifically contraindicated for shock loading specifically because of this, and that test is by no means apples to apples. I would like to see some similar testing of different ropes of like construction, but with significantly different MBS.
 
So now I’m looking at the banshee.
The description on the website says the Average Tensile Strength is 6,300lbs.

But right below that is says Tensile Strength: 8,353lbs. (37.1kn)

So which is it? I realize 6,300 is adequate. I just think when your life is on the line the information in the advertisement shall be correct. Correct?
 
Redbud33 said:
What is the minimum breaking strength allowed by ANSI? Isn’t in the same for all fall protection gear and expressed in kilonewtons? Like 23kn I’m guessing cuz a lot of biners are 24
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Hello, Redbud33. Welcome to the TreeBuzz forum, just in case that hasn't happened for you yet.

I am not a pro climber, so take what I say with a huge grain of salt. If any senior members wish to correct me for any wrong impressions I might have, I welcome it.

You might not be saying it outright, but I get the impression that you are thinking of tree climbing harnesses in terms of them being used as "fall protection" harnesses. I don't think tree climbing harnesses are rated for or intended to be used as fall protection, in the way that construction site safety harnesses get used. Construction site safety harnesses have a dorsal connection for their lanyards, and their lanyards have a package of material in line with the lanyard that will rip apart & unstitch itself, acting as a sort of speed brake. I think these lanyards are referred to as "shock absorbing lanyards". The reason for the dorsal connection on the construction site safety harness is so that you don't get your back broken in a fall. But I'd imagine one is pretty helpless dangling in a safety harness once it has been deployed. It is up to others to get to you and to bring you down to the ground in a situation like that.

It is my belief that tree climbing harnesses are for "work position" only. I don't think that they are "fall rated" harnesses. I think the whole idea with tree climbing harnesses, in terms of operating safely when using them, is to constantly tend your slack and to keep tension on the line. Avoiding slack in the line is of primary importance, in order to limit or better yet eliminate the possibility of having a fall of any significant distance. This is what makes the self-tending nature of the SRT sytems so nice. A holder-upper-thingy pulling your SRT system up the rope as you rope walk prevents the development of slack, with no intervention needed by the climber.

Anyway, I just wanted to make sure that you get the idea that it is a mistake to think of tree climbing harnesses as if they are fall protection harnesses, because I don't think they are. Your only protection is to constantly monitor the slack in your climbing rope, and eliminate it to the best of your ability.

As I said earlier, veterans, correct me if I'm wrong in anything that I've said. Thanks for your time.
 
You're correct about the difference between climbing and fall protection harnesses. Most sellers make it clear on their websites and catalogs that using a climbing harness for fall protection is very dangerous, and that climbers always need to avoid letting the climbing line go slack. Thanks for the reminder.
 
Tim Br thanks for your reply, but one of the crazy things about these online forums is the miscommunication.
I don’t remember saying anything about harnesses lol. But God bless. Have a safe day.
 
Redbud33 said:
Dude I just googled the definition of banshee. Who gives a f*** what the tensile strength is. I’m totally getting it. That’s the coolest name for a rope ever.
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Seems like a terrible way to buy a rope, it's also not just about strength, elasticity is also important and the amount needed varies by intended use.
 
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