Samson Voyager color?

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Hey does anyone know if Voyager comes in a hot color? I like climbing on this line, but I'm getting a few of the same colour...
Velocity and the other V series come in hot and cool colors, what's up.with Voyager?

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Winchman said:
Voyager is really good. Vortex is really better.
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Hey hi, can you or anyone else say more? What do you think makes Vortex better?

I’ve always loved the 11.7 poison ivys’ in the hand and all around. (Which for me is footlocking and MRS). I had my mind made up on a Tangent. That’s why I’m curious what makes Vortex better for you? Thanks in advance.
 
Most of the time I use a double handed ascender for climbing, but I appreciate the heftier size of Vortex when I climb a little way without the ascender working my way around limbs, etc. There's slightly less give-back with the Zigzag because of the larger diameter, too.

The Vortex is almost as supple as the Voyager, and knots are still easy to tie but slightly larger.

I'm using MRS with a Zigzag, and the Vortex runs through a ball bearing Petzl Rescue pulley at the top. Another rope (Voyager) goes over the tie-in point to hold up the pulley. It takes a little longer to set if up that way, but the pulley makes climbing so much easier that metal rings.
 
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Winchman said:
Most of the time I use a double handed ascender for climbing, but I appreciate the heftier size of Vortex when I climb a little way without the ascender working my way around limbs, etc. There's slightly less give-back with the Zigzag because of the larger diameter, too.

The Vortex is almost as supple as the Voyager, and knots are still easy to tie but slightly larger.

I'm using MRS with a Zigzag, and the Vortex runs through a ball bearing Petzl Rescue pulley at the top. Another rope (Voyager) goes over the tie-in point to hold up the pulley. It takes a little longer to set if up that way, but the pulley makes climbing so much easier that metal rings.
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My set up as well, only I use an Omni-Block up top.
 
Vortex is larger diameter and has a softer, some say squishy, feel. Voyager is a really nice line for SRS and MRS if you change up methods often. Voyager is more like Yale's Blue Moon products. Vortex, when it's nicely broken in, has a cover that fuzzes up like an old sweater. Vortex is nice for folks with bigger hands, or folks who've spent too much of their climbing career hanging onto skinny lines like Velocity!
 
Thanks roxy. Gosh it’s so hard to choose which rope to get. There’s so many things to consider. Tensile strength is probably what I value the most. But I won’t buy it unless I love the color. Is that an oxymoron?
Yeah I bought the silver ivy thinking it was poison ivy and came to find out I bought a rope I didn’t mean to buy. I don’t hate it but I do find that my hrc vt doesn’t grab the same and it feels a little waxy. I kept thinking it would break in to feel like my calamine. Now a year later I find out from Yale what happened to the poison ivy series. The company I bought it from said that it was advertised as a Samson product. I said, that doesn’t tell me anything. I think they should’ve changed the name. I felt misled. Maybe I’m the moron roxy.
 
Redbud33 said:
Thanks roxy. Gosh it’s so hard to choose which rope to get. There’s so many things to consider. Tensile strength is probably what I value the most. But I won’t buy it unless I love the color. Is that an oxymoron?
Yeah I bought the silver ivy thinking it was poison ivy and came to find out I bought a rope I didn’t mean to buy. I don’t hate it but I do find that my hrc vt doesn’t grab the same and it feels a little waxy. I kept thinking it would break in to feel like my calamine. Now a year later I find out from Yale what happened to the poison ivy series. The company I bought it from said that it was advertised as a Samson product. I said, that doesn’t tell me anything. I think they should’ve changed the name. I felt misled. Maybe I’m the moron roxy.
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Do they still have the toboggan runs there at Swallow CLiffs? As a kid my dad use to take us to Palos Heights to go down those wooden runs.
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Redbud33 said:
Thanks roxy. Gosh it’s so hard to choose which rope to get. There’s so many things to consider. Tensile strength is probably what I value the most. But I won’t buy it unless I love the color. Is that an oxymoron?
Yeah I bought the silver ivy thinking it was poison ivy and came to find out I bought a rope I didn’t mean to buy. I don’t hate it but I do find that my hrc vt doesn’t grab the same and it feels a little waxy. I kept thinking it would break in to feel like my calamine. Now a year later I find out from Yale what happened to the poison ivy series. The company I bought it from said that it was advertised as a Samson product. I said, that doesn’t tell me anything. I think they should’ve changed the name. I felt misled. Maybe I’m the moron roxy.
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I wouldn't give MBS much consideration for purchasing a rope. Almost all of the climb lines are ANSI rated to a min of 5400 lbs. And break strength of a rope is measured by pulling until it breaks, not shock loading as in a fall. See Yales video below showing how a higher MBS rope breaks under shock load and a lower MBS rope doesn't break. Go by how it performs for you, and if you cut while climbing, how well do you see the rope. The rest is just dazzle.
That said, I will buy ropes with cool color variations myself, but it must be with a rope that I like to use. Recently bought one that is sort of goat vomit green, but it was a proprietary version of HyperClimb that I like to use put out by Bartlett.
WesSpur has their color of Bluemoon called Focus. Just find what works for you and you will probably locate various colors out there to choose from.
 
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Dude!!?! It’s like you’re inside my head. I exercise on those stairs regularly. Tons of people do. They closed sledding a long time ago and actually demolished and removed them I think less than ten years ago. And there are great hiking trails with awesome old oaks and deep ravines there. I’m gonna go read your posts now. Sweet picture. Thanks!
 
Redbud33 said:
Dude!!?! It’s like you’re inside my head. I exercise on those stairs regularly. Tons of people do. They closed sledding a long time ago and actually demolished and removed them I think less than ten years ago. And there are great hiking trails with awesome old oaks and deep ravines there. I’m gonna go read your posts now. Sweet picture. Thanks!
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Probably thought it was too dangerous for kids these days. Got to keep children in padded rooms so they don't get hurt.
That's too bad. Take away all the things kids can get hurt doing and you take away a lot of good memories they would have had.
 
Wow shocking video. I get confused. “demonstration shows how dynamic loads are apt to get an arborist in trouble”…..aren’t we dynamic loads. Do they mean if an arborist’s dynamic body load climbed and fell on a static rope they could get into trouble?
So all our climbing lines are designed to take a shock load of a climber that falls into the rope, yes?
Can’t Voyager and Vortex withstand a heavier shock load than Poison Ivy or Blaze? Because it has a higher tensile strength AND it’s designed to do so?
What’s Ultrex used for?
 
Redbud33 said:
Wow shocking video. I get confused. “demonstration shows how dynamic loads are apt to get an arborist in trouble”…..aren’t we dynamic loads. Do they mean if an arborist’s dynamic body load climbed and fell on a static rope they could get into trouble?
So all our climbing lines are designed to take a shock load of a climber that falls into the rope, yes?
Can’t Voyager and Vortex withstand a heavier shock load than Poison Ivy or Blaze? Because it has a higher tensile strength AND it’s designed to do so?
What’s Ultrex used for?
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Ultrex is similar to Amsteel. Very high strength, but like Amsteel it does do well with shock loads. So like I was saying, MBS does not really have a place in what you are picking a climb line for. Just about all ropes that are listed as climb lines will catch the average person in a 3-4 foot fall. Anything further than that and you will wish it had snapped and let you go all the way to the ground, because you are going to get busted up pretty seriously.
Tree climbers are not suppose to fall. That is why you have back-ups, such as lanyards. Rock climbers expect to fall, and they use ropes that stretch 30-40% so they absorb the force over a span of time. Tree climbing ropes, for the most part, do not stretch, so a fall is absorbed all at once.
@Muggs put out a video the other day where he dropped 100 pounds about 12 inches and the force was 880 pounds. That is going to hurt you, a lot. So don't fall. Don't ever plan on falling. Make sure you have some sort of back up system going at all times.
As far as the difference between the ropes you mentioned, they probably will not break from a fall you would survive an impact from. Any fall that would cause one of them to break is also going to snap your spine in half, or tear lose your internal organs.
Quit worrying about breaking strength and get to having fun. Just remember, tree climbers do not fall.
 
Shadowscape said:
@Muggs put out a video the other day where he dropped 100 pounds about 12 inches and the force was 880 pounds. That is going to hurt you, a lot. So don't fall. Don't ever plan on falling. Make sure you have some sort of back up system going at all times.
As far as the difference between the ropes you mentioned, they probably will not break from a fall you would survive an impact from. Any fall that would cause one of them to break is also going to snap your spine in half, or tear lose your internal organs.
Quit worrying about breaking strength and get to having fun. Just remember, tree climbers do not fall.
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Yeah that was an impractical example in that video, just a tiny amount of rope in the system, with no friction at the anchor. But still, that result blew me away.

Dave is absolutely right, don't ever plan on falling. Our climbing systems are set up to eliminate falls at best, and turn slips into swings at worst. Even ropes that we consider "stretchy" are considered very static in other rope disciplines. Taking a fall on arborist rope is brutal.
 
I’m gonna go ahead and toss in another vote for vortex here. I like it because I have big thick hands and it reduces fatigue quite a bit. 11.7mm lines never really gave me much trouble but I grab my vortex every time now.
 
What is the minimum breaking strength allowed by ANSI? Isn’t in the same for all fall protection gear and expressed in kilonewtons? Like 23kn I’m guessing cuz a lot of biners are 24
 
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