Samson double-braid dry ropes for tree climbers

I have yet to try recycled fiber ropes but I love the idea. I wish they would be more high viz but that’s the nature of things when dealing with recycled materials.

Color wise, I want to ask Samson/Sherrill to make a version of Calamine in the new Ivy pattern. Pink/purple swirls would get me buying an entire reel.
 
It’s the same type of treatment that is used for rock climbing lines. I don’t think it’s wax. Likely similar to Teflon or other waterproofing treatments. Gotta love the forever chemicals being added to even more products.

I turned down the opportunity to test these lines because we use our ropes differently than other disciplines that use these treatments. Imagine using rope on rope friction and inhaling the crap that is rubbed off the rope. My wife and I have developed significant sensitivities since unknowingly renting a mold-infested house. Chemical sensitivity is one we inherited. Since then we’ve learned a lot about chemical use in different parts of the US, and the dry treatments used in several products are among the worst because they don’t break down in the environment (ground, water, or air) or in our bodies.

I imagine this type of treatment may be beneficial to operations in the PNW, but at what cost?

Now, I realize there is so much toxicity in the other tools we use and how they’re made, but I’m a little ticked that this treatment is being pushed just to sell more rope, screw the consequences.
Nahh we just get wet here and grow moss
 
The navy is covering this up pretty bad. The safe levels in drinking water have change to basically trace amounts be they won’t accept the new science. https://www.islandcountywa.gov/Health/EH/Hydrogeology/Pages/NAS-PFAS.aspx
Unknowingly I got a call from some contractor in Georgia who was put in charge of installing the new water main, they wanted me to tunnel under a couple of trees some property owner was worried about.
My mistake that I basically outlined how to do it, and I’m sure they just decided to do it themselves or just rip up the roots..
 
I don’t want to derail too far , but 100% yes. My wife is now extremely allergic to the fragrances in the detergents and dryer sheets. She has to go inside if a neighbor is drying laundry upwind.
i have used non allergenic soaps etc for pretty much my whole life and have no known allergies. That said, that chemical venting from standard laundry products causes immediate sneezing and congestion. I assume people actually absorbing those chemicals from their clothing end up paying some significant price health wise.
 
The navy is covering this up pretty bad. The safe levels in drinking water have change to basically trace amounts be they won’t accept the new science. https://www.islandcountywa.gov/Health/EH/Hydrogeology/Pages/NAS-PFAS.aspx
Unknowingly I got a call from some contractor in Georgia who was put in charge of installing the new water main, they wanted me to tunnel under a couple of trees some property owner was worried about.
My mistake that I basically outlined how to do it, and I’m sure they just decided to do it themselves or just rip up the roots..

Hawai’i too. First the Navy spilling hundreds of thousands of gallons of jet fuel into the land an aquifer over many years until it got so bad that people started getting very ill. And then the forever chemicals at the same site shortly after.



 
FYI: From Jim Cramer this morning: "3M (MMM) promises to stop making so-called forever chemicals, setting a 2025 deadline. Ceasing PFAS production is very necessary given the issues with groundwater worldwide. 3M expects a fourth-quarter per-tax charge between $700 million to $1 billion. Over the course of exiting PFAS, 3M says it may need to take a total of $1.3 billion to $2.3 billion in charges."
 
Great thread here, I too am extremely sensitive to chemicals. It makes it hard to travel, especially hotel's and whatnot. We use only non fragrance products in our home. Stayed with in-laws who use oxiclean for a week and thought I might die. Yes, fucking dryer vents drive me mad! We work outside, great, but walking back and forth by the vent all day is bad for your health no question. Similar note... I've been using premixed fuel for about a year and noticed the exhaust is much more tolerable. The sad thing is it's everywhere and so hard to avoid, the poison. It's pillows, carpet, couches, car seats, underwear, food packaging, water.... everything!
 
Many years ago now I did some "environmental health" research for an oil major with some folks in the vicinity of it's large sour gas plant. HO swore it was that giving her fybromyalgia, but one thing we found was the grading of their land was from the barn downhill towards the house, cow-pie surface water run off went down the foundation, the inside of the basement was damp and their sump pump for weeping tile drainage didn't work reliably. They ended up over years with a huge amount of organic gunk under their basement slab, off gassing into the house. The air sampling gear we used was called Summa canisters - passivated stainless steel spheres that were expressed back to the lab and analyzed using cryogenic traps and GC/ Mass Spectrometer. We were measuring stuff down to ppb (parts per billion) easily and I could tell the day a FedEx driver had shown up wearing cologne! Actually quite amazing. Point is, analysis methods exist now, just throw money. Fixing or avoiding exposure not so easy unfortunately given the chemical soup we all live in these days.

About fuel, have you tried Aspen - it's a ready mix alkylate fuel that has no aromatics and is supposed to burn much more cleanly (different refinery stream/unit containing no aromatics like benzene, toluene etc). Or electric saws like the T540 Li? Electric blowers? Getting away from two strokes is a not bad thing in my books, just for noise exposure, exhaust and having gas and oil hanging around in the garage, shop or vehicle with us (i.e. when I stick the lawn mower in the back of the Runner for work at the church I can smell the gas when I get into the truck next morning, even if overnight is cool).
Cheers all and wishing everyone a safe and prosperous New Year.
 
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Many years ago now I did some "environmental health" research for an oil major with some folks in the vicinity of it's large sour gas plant. HO swore it was that giving her fybromyalgia, but one thing we found was the grading of their land was from the barn downhill towards the house, cow-pie surface water run off went down the foundation, the inside of the basement was damp and their sump pump for weeping tile drainage didn't work reliably. They ended up over years with a huge amount of organic gunk under their basement slab, off gassing into the house. The air sampling gear we used was called Summa canisters - passivated stainless steel spheres that were expressed back to the lab and analyzed using cryogenic traps and GC/ Mass Spectrometer. We were measuring stuff down to ppb (parts per billion) easily and I could tell the day a FedEx driver had shown up wearing cologne! Actually quite amazing. Point is, analysis methods exist now, just throw money. Fixing or avoiding exposure not so easy unfortunately given the chemical soup we all live in these days.

About fuel, have you tried Aspen - it's a ready mix alkylate fuel that has no aromatics and is supposed to burn much more cleanly (different refinery stream/unit containing no aromatics like benzene, toluene etc). Or electric saws like the T530 Li? Electric blowers? Getting away from two strokes is a not bad thing in my books, just for noise exposure, exhaust and having gas and oil hanging around in the garage, shop or vehicle with us (i.e. when I stick the lawn mower in the back of the Runner for work at the church I can smell the gas when I get into the truck next morning, even if overnight is cool).
Cheers all and wishing everyone a safe and prosperous New Year.
Wow, it’s amazing what good analytics can do these days. I didn’t realize you could get that much information from a passive test like that though, that’s impressive!

A big Plus One for Aspen fuel too, that stuff is great. I love it, and we would use it, but we just use too much fuel to justify the expense. When we are running at full tilt, we burn about 50 gallons of mixed fuel a month. Aspen would nearly triple our cost, so we can’t justify it, but we have tried it a couple times and love the stuff.
 
Many years ago now I did some "environmental health" research for an oil major with some folks in the vicinity of it's large sour gas plant. HO swore it was that giving her fybromyalgia, but one thing we found was the grading of their land was from the barn downhill towards the house, cow-pie surface water run off went down the foundation, the inside of the basement was damp and their sump pump for weeping tile drainage didn't work reliably. They ended up over years with a huge amount of organic gunk under their basement slab, off gassing into the house. The air sampling gear we used was called Summa canisters - passivated stainless steel spheres that were expressed back to the lab and analyzed using cryogenic traps and GC/ Mass Spectrometer. We were measuring stuff down to ppb (parts per billion) easily and I could tell the day a FedEx driver had shown up wearing cologne! Actually quite amazing. Point is, analysis methods exist now, just throw money. Fixing or avoiding exposure not so easy unfortunately given the chemical soup we all live in these days.

About fuel, have you tried Aspen - it's a ready mix alkylate fuel that has no aromatics and is supposed to burn much more cleanly (different refinery stream/unit containing no aromatics like benzene, toluene etc). Or electric saws like the T530 Li? Electric blowers? Getting away from two strokes is a not bad thing in my books, just for noise exposure, exhaust and having gas and oil hanging around in the garage, shop or vehicle with us (i.e. when I stick the lawn mower in the back of the Runner for work at the church I can smell the gas when I get into the truck next morning, even if overnight is cool).
Cheers all and wishing everyone a safe and prosperous New Year.
Damn, that is crazy about the FedEx drivers cologne but I believe it. Have not heard of the Aspen fuel but I will definitely look for it, thanks! Luckily I only run a 150 for a few hours a week and rarely blow, so not getting too much 2 stroke these days thank gawd.
 
It's almost funny how "clean smelling" has been perverted into "perfumed." If something is clean, it should have no odor, not smell like a French who.... (Whew! Diversity-Sensitivity Training kicked in just in time.)
It's a good thing too - you'da had to go for training again and just the paperwork would keep you busy for a week . . . . :-) Sometimes we all feel, well, just so processed . . . .
 
Love this thread. It’s sad that so many of us suffer from chemical sensitivities but hell yes those dryer vents fuck me up.

The first step in helping the environment is not buying anything, but REDUCING consumption. What’s the key takeaway for climbing arborists? What can you ‘do’ to ‘help’?

Don’t nick your friggen ropes! Make them last for years! Reduce the demand.
 
Hell yes. That's the worst part about the "green" movement. People think we need to buy more shit to improve the situation, which is the exact opposite of what we need to be doing. Buy a falteimer cube or three and call it good for a decade at least. I got this new 11.7 edelrid rope because it looked like the old Yale 11.7 sumac but the damn thing picks fibers like nothing I've seen. Not recommended.
 
Purchased a 100 ft hank of Samson Dry on a Wes spur clearance deal. Was hard to pass up the opportunity to try it based on past curiosity.

After reading comments here and grossly ignoring the PFAS and chemical exposure potential, I may only give the rope a go on an “extra wet” or snow-slushy day that I climb. Climbing in the PNW, I have accepted being a human moss conglomerate while aloft.

Loss of rope strength while wet has been my only concern, however marginal that loss of strength may be. Curious to see how this rope works but at the same time very hesitant to even use it. I appreciate this thread greatly.

Wax coated rope with bee’s wax may be the product I actually would want to try out. May brainstorm another use for it or sell it after more consideration. Anywho, new here and enjoying the tree buzz! Cheers
 
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