rope bag for ce lanyard

Mr Bill, I used to daisy chain, too, but for me it's faster to stuff it into this bag from Sea to Summit, then it's out of the way. I did have to stitch on a little ring, tho. There are several sizes ( mine has a 20' lanyard in it).

http://www.seatosummit.com/products/display/173


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i was just thinking that the daisy chain would still be long with 30ft, i dont think i am familiar with the m-system?

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MrBill, check out this video. If you pause it at 1:29, there is a great example of an M-System in use with a "shorter" lanyard. It's probably Taylor Hamel's climbing system...Anyway, the idea is that by creating 2 TIP's with your main climbing line, you can easily set up your work positioning station without a long lanyard. Let the climb-line do the work for you. The second TIP created when setting up the system can be done either natural crotched, or with a small Rr FS (Large Ring, small Ring Friction Saver) that can easily be stowed on your saddle. The mechanical advantage created from this configuration makes "haulback" a charm. A mini Rr FS can more easily be stowed than a bag for a lanyard, and has more functionality. The second TIP can also be easily retrieved.

I used to carry a long lanyard, and now I try to keep it as short as possible. When I want more length, I run it in SRT mode, as shown in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCRBBMsF_Q
 
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Mr Bill, I used to daisy chain, too, but for me it's faster to stuff it into this bag from Sea to Summit,

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Great idea, just ordered the small one 6.5L. Sewing the ring on looks like it will be perfect, my ankle thanks you.
 
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...Anyway, the idea is that by creating 2 TIP's with your main climbing line, you can easily set up your work positioning station without a long lanyard. Let the climb-line do the work for you...

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Something I would like to clarify on the above statement. The M system as cool and fun as it is to use will not take the place of using a separate lanyard during cutting operations. It will create stability for the work station but not the additional security of an independent second tie-in with a lanyard.

The M, even though it creates stability through the use of the two points of suspension, is still just a single system controlled by one knot. So if any portion of it is compromised, the whole system fails. This is not creating the redundant point of attachment that a separate lanyard will.

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The M, even though it creates stability through the use of the two points of suspension, is still just a single system controlled by one knot. So if any portion of it is compromised, the whole system fails. This is not creating the redundant point of attachment that a separate lanyard will.
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Good point, a quick fix without switching it over to the V rig brother and adding another HC pulley is to put a prusik loop on each side connected to the other holes of the HC pulley. As this M system is balanced I find just one pursik allows me the ability to lean or move ether way on the system.
 
Dave, you don't miss a beat!

Thanks for clarifying, as I wasn't quite thorough in my post, though I was trying to show an alternative to a long lanyard. Of course once the climber reached the work station, they should be secured with the lanyard as a redundant point of attachment. The reason for using the M-system/V-rig in the first place would be to keep the lanyard free for proper positioning at the work station. Since the M-system/V-rig is comprised of a single line and single prusik, it should be considered one point of attachment. I was not clear when I stated "2TIP's). A bonus is, it's rather less gear intensive the 2 separate climbing lines.

I feel that the use of a long lanyard can be potentially dangerous if a climber is using it as a "mini" climbing system at lower rope angles, rather than a positioning tool. If a long lanyard was used in conjunction with a climbing system to access a work station with low rope angles, then positioning at the work station may be sacrificed (since the long lanyard is already in use). If the climber swung back towards plumb, an impact injury could result.

The M system/V-rig creates more stability, and leaves the lanyard available for positioning (and it doesn't have to be long).
 
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.....The reason for using the M-system/V-rig in the first place would be to keep the lanyard free for proper positioning at the work station. Since the M-system/V-rig is comprised of a single line and single prusik, it should be considered one point of attachment. ....
The M system/V-rig creates more stability, and leaves the lanyard available for positioning (and it doesn't have to be long).

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Tell me if I have it wrong but with just one added prusik/hitch, I think that line can be considered a second point of attachment.
The way I have been using the V-rig set-up seems to me to be two points of attachment even when I am using a single climbing line.
I hardly ever use the M-system as with just one more prusik (Unicender is usually my primary), I get the same function and more control with the V-rig. In fact with the M-system, in order to keep from "self centering", I have to add the extra prusik/hitch anyway.
I use this a lot because it is basically how I go from tree to tree but on a smaller scale I think it would apply to positioning as well, no?



Referance to page 20 on double-crotching.
 
Not sure what kind of bag this is but it cost me $3 from the charity store.

It works well because its independent from the saddle....so you can shift it around your back if its in the way.
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i was just thinking that the daisy chain would still be long with 30ft, i dont think i am familiar with the m-system?

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MrBill, check out this video. If you pause it at 1:29, there is a great example of an M-System in use with a "shorter" lanyard. It's probably Taylor Hamel's climbing system...Anyway, the idea is that by creating 2 TIP's with your main climbing line, you can easily set up your work positioning station without a long lanyard. Let the climb-line do the work for you. The second TIP created when setting up the system can be done either natural crotched, or with a small Rr FS (Large Ring, small Ring Friction Saver) that can easily be stowed on your saddle. The mechanical advantage created from this configuration makes "haulback" a charm. A mini Rr FS can more easily be stowed than a bag for a lanyard, and has more functionality. The second TIP can also be easily retrieved.

I used to carry a long lanyard, and now I try to keep it as short as possible. When I want more length, I run it in SRT mode, as shown in the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCRBBMsF_Q


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thanks for the advice looks like the m system def has its place but looks like you loose the ability to favor one side over the other, still a good trick to have up youre sleeve.
 
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thanks bstewart
just curious what size bag it is that fits youre 20' of rope?

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I think it was large, has a gray band on top. Also got the orange banded one, which is smaller. You'll find a use for that one, too.
 
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i was just thinking that the daisy chain would still be long with 30ft, i dont think i am familiar with the m-system?

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MrBill, check out this video. If you pause it at 1:29, there is a great example of an M-System in use


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thanks for the advice looks like the m system def has its place but looks like you loose the ability to favor one side over the other, still a good trick to have up youre sleeve.

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Thanks Oceans for linking that video, it has so much in it.
I see a V-rig at :58 made up of a climbing line and CELanyard on the right connected single line using the prusik and thimble. Then again at 1:01.
Then, as you pointed out at 1:29 an M-rig comprised of a single line and a CELanyard to the left to control the centering and positioning. MrBill, I think that you could use a small prusik on that M-rig as well as the lanyard but that would not demonstrate how great that CELanyard is.
It is hard to tell how long that CELanyard is because I can't see the end of the tail but from other shots I'm guessing 4-5 meters.
At 1:35 another V-rig and I'm thinking it is all the same line as the side on the left looks like it redirects over the climber. Not sure, any ideas about why I see the third line going behind the climber?
Oh, and at 1:25, talk about single point of connection, with all those multiple lines and pulleys, it all comes down to that one little pin at the center of the swivel.
But great gear porn video, look forward to the other parts.
And now to stay on thread, how big of a bag do I need to put all this in? After watching this video I ordered some more :)
 
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Looks like the bum bag for my dirt bike tool kit, good idea!

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Its branded 'mountain equipment' so I assumed maybe it was for packing a rain jacket or something. I does work very well because of the way it hugs you, is independent and above the saddle. Ive tried bags that hang from the saddle and they're annoying for several reasons.
 
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