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Norm Hall initiates that when making a TH that you make an additional half hitch BEFORE you begin taking turns. Remember there must be at least 5 and they must be evenly distributed over at least half the circumfrence. Any corrections to that...feel free to pounce. It will not be the last time that I miss a detail and I take it well.
 
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I have one thing to add when you said you were using a running bowline with the wood were you using a marl with it as well?

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To be honest, not even sure what a marl is. Whiz, when the sling rolled it didn't roll far, maybe an inch. I was more worried about holding the tree I didn't pay attention to the fact my left hand was on the sling. Lesson learned! Thanks Sean.
 
A marl is almost the same as a half-hitch to accompany your RB. I use a half-hitch. When you slip the marl off the end of the piece, it turns into an overhand knot. When you slip a HH off, it falls out cleanly.

They both take the strain of the RB.

With a hh/ rb, you can slip it off the end of the piece, and the RB will be your stopper knot, keeping the end from going through your block and falling to the ground. You can flip a HH onto the top of the spar, then slip on your RB. No need to untie/ retie the RB.



Some simple tips you might already know...

If you have a big spliced eye on the rigging line, you can replace the RB by forming a girth hitch by passing a bight of rope through the eye and "rolling" the eye "inside out" until it is TDS neatly.

As you are getting lower on the stem, you end up rigging thicker pieces with less rope in the system to absorb the shock through stretch, along with "running" it at the Lowering Device. If you re-direct your rope at the ground to another tree for your LD anchor, you can keep more rope in the system.

Looks like you had a tight drop zone there for a good sized tree. If you need to crash-land, or just cut and drop pieces, some tires tied together will absorb the impact and "catch the piece". I've had this work well, even on a bit of a slope with free-falling pieces. You can go to a tire store and get free junk tires. I've tied four together with the treads touching. You could layer two sets of three or four tires.

We had a 5'x 4' drop zone on a paver sidewalk for a tall fir tree, and bombed firewood rounds from 80-100' on down, with no broken pavers. We also had a rubber horse stall mat ($40) on top of the tires, making it easier to roll the round off the crash pad.
 
I did use a half hitch with my RB. The tire trick sounds interesting. Is there a problem with the chunks bouncing into the next county after hitting the tires?
 
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I have one thing to add when you said you were using a running bowline with the wood were you using a marl with it as well?

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To be honest, not even sure what a marl is. ...

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+1; good post Sean!

Illustration by Bryan Kotwica:

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Sometimes you can have the ground workers make a mattress of brush and bomb the pieces on the mat and use some logs to make a crib or corral to keep the pieces in check..

easier than tires if you have the brush..
 
I have a few comments for you based on the pic. If you would leave some branches on, mass dampening will make the thrashing you get when catching the top less extreme. Also the stubs up high can thump you pretty hard if your get greedy and take too big of a piece. Did you estimate the weights of the pieces before you cut them? If not you are just guessing and leaving too much to chance. You probably scared the crap out of your wife. Smaller pieces are better if you are not sure about something. That spar must have been a sticky mess after poking it and then leaving it overnight. Did your spikes stay in when catching the top? If not you got greedy.

Welcome to our world.

M
 
Jack, thanks for the illustration, did not realize the two were so close to each other. Does one perform any better than the other?

Mark, the spar was not terribly sticky, surprised me. And no the spikes never left the tree. I was so worried about keeping control of everything I went ultra conservative. The biggest piece I dropped was maybe 4.5 foot. Even the top I split in half because my other groundman had to be able to pull the weight from over the house with the tag line. To be honest the house was the only thing that kept my greed in check. After working the bugs out on the first drop the others went so smooth I really wanted to go larger. I have a couple trees next week without any targets to worry about, time permitting I might get some more practice in.

TJ
 
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Jack, thanks for the illustration, did not realize the two were so close to each other. Does one perform any better than the other? ...

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Each hitch has its advantages and disadvantages. As Sean pointed out, the half hitch is quicker and easier to work with but not as secure. The marl is a more secure hitch but slow and a PITA for simple production work.

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... The tire trick sounds interesting. Is there a problem with the chunks bouncing into the next county after hitting the tires?

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Here's a vid by Reg that might answer your question: Controlled free-fall (Vertical speed line). A marl might be a better hitch for the Vertical Speed Line.

Anyway, Reg's work and videos are incredibly impressive to watch -- a wealth of valuable info!!!
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Jack, thanks for the illustration, did not realize the two were so close to each other. Does one perform any better than the other? ...

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Each hitch has its advantages and disadvantages. As Sean pointed out, the half hitch is quicker and easier to work with but not as secure. The marl is a more secure hitch but slow and a PITA for simple production work.

Anyway, Reg's work and videos are incredibly impressive to watch -- a wealth of valuable info!!!
... enjoy
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I disagree. For negative rigging, I use a marline hitch 100% of the time. For the security it adds, the extra 2 seconds it takes to tie, is worth it.

Agreed. Reg's vids are very informative and his work is PRO.
 
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... For negative rigging, I use a marline hitch 100% of the time. For the security it adds, the extra 2 seconds it takes to tie, is worth it. ...

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Certainly have to agree with that statement! The marl is safer but the HH has it's place, too. I wasn't really recommending, just comparing -- good to know both and know the difference.
 
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Flush cut your stubs, they are a hazard.

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That is a habit I'm trying to get into. I did good till the top, then I got lazy, no better excuse. The last set of trees I did before that leaving stobs really caused me a headache. The climbing line hitched itself on a stob and I had to climb back down to undo it.
 
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On limby pines I'll usually leave 2 short stubs to stand on when taking the top on a rope. Its like highway pegs on a harley.

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Like it.
 
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Jack, thanks for the illustration, did not realize the two were so close to each other. Does one perform any better than the other? ...

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Each hitch has its advantages and disadvantages. As Sean pointed out, the half hitch is quicker and easier to work with but not as secure. The marl is a more secure hitch but slow and a PITA for simple production work.

Anyway, Reg's work and videos are incredibly impressive to watch -- a wealth of valuable info!!!
... enjoy
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I disagree. For negative rigging, I use a marline hitch 100% of the time. For the security it adds, the extra 2 seconds it takes to tie, is worth it.

Agreed. Reg's vids are very informative and his work is PRO.

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Norm, is it a knot efficiency thing, or slippage thing between the HH and MH?

Thanks.
 

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