Roe v Wade overturned

cerviarborist said:
Make no mistake, this is the first time in the history of the Supreme Court that they have issued a ruling, which takes away a right from a majority of United States citizens. I think we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg, and if we don't change our bearing, I'm afraid we'll be seeing a lot more of it, and soon.

First they came for the communists and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a communist.

Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Beautiful post bro…
 
Let’s not forget Mitch McConnells decision to deny Obama his constitutional right and duty to nominate a Supreme Court Justice. If not for this despicable act the decision to remove a woman’s right to autonomy over her own body would surely have gone 5-4 in the other direction.
 
JCB said:
That's not a lack of will, or desire for change, among the popular majority; it's the concerted effort of the obstructionist Republican senators. It's been shown that about 80% of the policy changes that the majority of citizens endorse suffer defeat in Congress, which is bought and paid for (and staffed in many cases) by the ultra rich.

How many times have the Republicans been asked what they would replace ObamaCare with? They have no answer and they don't care enough about common folk to even cobble together an alternative. They would simply take it away, get their bonuses from the insurance companies, and never think about you and me again. In 2020, the Republica-Nazis couldn't even find the will to develop a party platform: Whatever trump wanted to do was fine with them. "Oh, what will I do if trump gets mad at me!" They are despicable, disgraceful, duplicitous, anti-democratic, immoral cowards (as are, in my opinion, those who continue to vote for them).

This time it's abortion which, like health care, they are happy to crush with complete disregard for the terrible sociological results that will ensue. I know, I know, the states can still support abortion if they wish. But, as of yesterday, America can no longer say that abortion is a national civil right--and that is a damned shame! The life of a fetus is nothing when compared to that of a teenage rape victim, or a destitute mother who cannot raise the child. But, oh yeah, if the mother is willing to admit her sins and forthwith adhere to the pro-lifers' religious tenets, she may be offered support and adoption services. Oh my god!

Republican anarchists like Bannon, Cruz, Jordan, and hundreds more, simply want to "blow it up" while putting forth no policies or plans to make America better. What do they envision for America after our institutions are gone? What will happen when neo-Nazis in the northwest go completely rogue? Will Republicans continue to look to trump (a man who knows less about world history than a five-year-old, and wouldn't recognize a teachable moment if it bit him) and the insurrectionists for guidance? I'll tell you what I don't understand: Why didn't the officers protecting the Capitol simply open fire on the insurrectionists? I no doubt would have. And when it was over, I would have proudly proclaimed that, "I am a good guy with a gun."

If Congressional Republicans had any courage or some respect whatsoever for their oaths of office, they wouldn't still be campaigning for office while claiming that the last election was a fraud (even though many of them were elected/reelected in that same election). Republicans of this ilk should be ashamed of themselves, removed from current office, condemned by all, and prevented from ever holding office in the future. Their behavior is treasonous, as it undermines our constitution, circumvents the will of the people, and weakens the integrity of our elections.

Perhaps this week's best example is Clarence Thomas, who instead of resigning in disgrace (like he didn't know what his "best friend" was up to!) is running around looking for other civil rights to dismantle. You know what's been so great about the January 6th hearings? No screaming, lying Jim Jordan and friends--just cohesive, linear, indisputable facts. If trump and his ilk are not severely sanctioned and disallowed from public office because of this evidence, our country is finished. And I guess that's when the Republicans will rejoice?
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I can't help but wonder when the majority is finally gonna realize that they are in a war with a small minority that is willing to do anything and everything to meet their objective. Cheating? Lying? Overruling nearly 150 years of precedent in 2 decision? Supporting, voting for, and worshipping an amoral and wholly unqualified charlatan and snake oil salesman? Whatever it takes to drive our nation back into the stone ages. We will soon see an America where birth control and gay marriage are illegal...High time for the majority to start punching back, me thinks
 
JCB said:
The right of every woman to control what happens to her body, her family, and her life.
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"her family' so you think she should have the right to kill her entire family? Not just the human life she helped create?

Rape is such a small percentage of the abortions being done, so don't use that excuse. I highly doubt you would be ok for abortions only for rape cases. Most abortions are do to poor choices before pregnancy and then the woman just doesn't want a baby....which should have been decided before they did the act that can create one. You don't run up to a cliff, lean over it to the point that you loose you balance, and then blame the property owner for you falling. You made the choice to lean over the cliff etc, especially if there was a fence there (protection. timing etc).

Making people mask up, closing businesses, forced vaccines wasn't taking away their liberty or freedom etc, but protecting an innocent human life that someone wants to kill just for the inconvenience is? If you ok with abortion, what changes after birth...just kill them later when yo get tired of them? In my mind there is no difference...it is illegal to kill them after and should be illegal to kill them before. Both are humans and innocent from the evils of this world.
 
JCB said:
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I’m not trying to be a smart-ass. I really think this boils it down to the essence of the disagreement. Abortion will NEVER be a topic that can be agreed upon. There will never be a good federal solution. Which is exactly why the court and the Constitution require the issue to be relegated to the states.

This way even if your side loses, at least you had a vote/voice in the discussion.
 
climbhightree said:
"her family' so you think she should have the right to kill her entire family? Not just the human life she helped create?

Rape is such a small percentage of the abortions being done, so don't use that excuse. I highly doubt you would be ok for abortions only for rape cases. Most abortions are do to poor choices before pregnancy and then the woman just doesn't want a baby....which should have been decided before they did the act that can create one. You don't run up to a cliff, lean over it to the point that you loose you balance, and then blame the property owner for you falling. You made the choice to lean over the cliff etc, especially if there was a fence there (protection. timing etc).

Making people mask up, closing businesses, forced vaccines wasn't taking away their liberty or freedom etc, but protecting an innocent human life that someone wants to kill just for the inconvenience is? If you ok with abortion, what changes after birth...just kill them later when yo get tired of them? In my mind there is no difference...it is illegal to kill them after and should be illegal to kill them before. Both are humans and innocent from the evils of this world.
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So the fella who earlier suggested that women just needed to "not spread their legs" is now conflating a woman's right to bodily autonomy with wearing a mask during a global pandemic?
 
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Bucknut said:
This way even if your side loses, at least you had a vote/voice in the discussion.
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Next..get rid of Electoral College and use popular vote. Simple.
Lots of current US history would be different if popular vote were followed. Go back, at least, to Bush v Gore.


The Big Lie and all the MAGA idiocy wouldn't have legs.

I'mm not fact-checking this but I don't think my memory is too far off...Roe v Wade is supported by around 60% of the total US population. That's a landslide in any election.
 
rico said:
So the fella who earlier suggested that women just needed to "not spread their legs" is now conflating a woman's right to bodily autonomy with wearing a mask during a global pandemic?
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Liberty and freedom for one's own body, as you put it, goes both ways. How can you say it is OK for women to control their own body, and definitely kill another, but yet say I have to mask/vaccine up to only potentially save another?

That doesn't make sense to me. I would understand if you were for abortion but against mask/vaccine for personal freedom/liberty reasons. To be for the one and against the other baffles me.

There reason I am on both sides of these topics is because an adult can choose to be around me or not (put their life at a potential risk according to you), but a baby as no say in the matter and will definitely be killed. 1% risk compared to 100% risk of death.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
Next..get rid of Electoral College and use popular vote. Simple.
Lots of current US history would be different if popular vote were followed. Go back, at least, to Bush v Gore.


The Big Lie and all the MAGA idiocy wouldn't have legs.

I'mm not fact-checking this but I don't think my memory is too far off...Roe v Wade is supported by around 60% of the total US population. That's a landslide in any election.
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But it isn't that simple. The country wasn't founded that way. Why should large cities control the enite nation? Why should people running for election only advertise to only certain states/cities to win, and then only do things that help those locations. This is just another check and balance created to help the nation as a whole, to try and keep things fair and balanced.

If 60% want abortion to be legal, I am sure more and more states will go that way (even up to birth...maybe even beyond), and if so eventually maybe become a federal thing. All done legally through due process.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
I'mm not fact-checking this but I don't think my memory is too far off...Roe v Wade is supported by around 60% of the total US population.
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I think that’s about right. And now I’d imagine about 60% of the states will have access to abortion just as before. And even in most of the red states it will not be banned outright.
 
climbhightree said:
"her family' so you think she should have the right to kill her entire family? Not just the human life she helped create?

Rape is such a small percentage of the abortions being done, so don't use that excuse. I highly doubt you would be ok for abortions only for rape cases. Most abortions are do to poor choices before pregnancy and then the woman just doesn't want a baby....which should have been decided before they did the act that can create one. You don't run up to a cliff, lean over it to the point that you loose you balance, and then blame the property owner for you falling. You made the choice to lean over the cliff etc, especially if there was a fence there (protection. timing etc).

Making people mask up, closing businesses, forced vaccines wasn't taking away their liberty or freedom etc, but protecting an innocent human life that someone wants to kill just for the inconvenience is? If you ok with abortion, what changes after birth...just kill them later when yo get tired of them? In my mind there is no difference...it is illegal to kill them after and should be illegal to kill them before. Both are humans and innocent from the evils of this world.
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Yeah, like that's what I said: "She should have the right to kill her entire family!" Listen to yourself.

But she does have the right to determine how large her family will be based on her own reality. What's next, revoke women's right to vote? They already lack equal pay and workplace promotions. If men really supported women they would acknowledge that their rights (and the rights of the dependent children in her charge) outweigh those of the unborn. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of children die of starvation and disease EVERY DAY; I don't see pro-life folks rallying around that cause--or acknowledging that the lack of readily available abortions compounds that problem.

I agree with Bucknut: "Abortion will NEVER be a topic that can be agreed upon." But that doesn't mean that both sides in the debate have equal standing, because one side wants to control others' behavior (largely based on their religious beliefs, a very un-American thing to do) while the other side simply wants to control their own bodies and lives.

It's just like talking politics these days. While my fore-bearers could fervently disagree on who should be president, they could rest assured that either candidate would protect the constitution--and not methodically (and openly and continually) attempt to overthrow the government. (For sure, the newly-elected president would not advise police officers to ignore suspects' safety when placing them in a vehicle! What a friggin' animal!) I will never give merit to an argument in support of trump (and his mentally-deficient minions) because he is not (never was) a qualified candidate for president. When given his chance, he proved to the world that only his ego and wealth matter in any equation. It's plain to see that the man is very sick, and that he ticks all of the psychotic boxes! I have no time for folks who refuse to recognize that fact.

Thanks for writing.
 
climbhightree said:
You don't run up to a cliff, lean over it to the point that you loose you balance, and then blame the property owner for you falling. You made the choice to lean over the cliff etc, especially if there was a fence there (protection. timing etc).
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That seems to be common, although it's usually the family that files the lawsuit on behalf of the deceased.

Years ago at a cave with a 186' entrance pit located on state park property, a young woman fell to her death. The entrance is surrounded by a 6' chain link fence that couldn't be any closer to the edge of the pit. A waist high section of masonry wall about 8' long interrupts the chain link fence to provide access for cavers. No one in their right mind would go over the wall without being on rope. The boyfriend, the only other person present, said she climbed over the wall, slipped and fell. She was reported to be pregnant.

Her family sued everyone possible, including the National Speleological Society. On par with suing the ISA for falling out of a tree. IIRC, the boyfriend was not charged due to lack of evidence. The case impressed me as a combo abortion/murder.
 
JCB said:
Yup!
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Actually to be clear, I said a choice to not...

Obviously rape is a completely different matter...but as I previously said that is a slim number of abortions.

Sex equals potentially getting pregnant. If one doesn't want to get pregnant be careful how and when you have sex. If you have sex willy nilly, and you get pregnant...you made your choice and should have to live with the consequences of those actions (like anything in life...choices lead to a result). To kill a innocent human, take it out on them, is cruel and heartless. Especially when they can't protect themselves and had no choice in the matter.
 
climbhightree said:
To kill a innocent human, take it out on them, is cruel and heartless. Especially when they can't protect themselves and had no choice in the matter.
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You must REALLY hate America then because that's been their MO for a couple hundred years.

Take what you want, kill anyone who opposes, and convince everyone it's necessary to protect lives.
 
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Boomslang said:
You must REALLY hate America then because that's been their MO for a couple hundred years.

Take what you want, kill anyone who opposes, and convince everyone it's necessary to protect lives.
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Not following this at all. I am pretty much against murder/intentional loss of life of any kind. Especially innocents
 
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