remote trip swing

Daniel

Carpal tunnel level member
this is a variation of the rigging used to swing horizontal limbs a long ways before they drop in order to clear a house or other trees etc.. Kenny (treespyder) originally wrote about swing rigging by tying off near the COG (center of gravity) and pre-tensioning the rigging line back on arboristite circa 2003.... Mark Chisholm included swing rigging in a workshop I took from him around 2002, and my mentor Big John Grier used swing rigging extensively back as far as I can remember (around 2002).

What makes this cut different is that it is set up to trip remotely, which really isn't needed if you are cutting from rope and saddle, but can save a lot of trouble from the bucket.

The first limb of this video swings about 180 degrees with little or no vertical drop before separation. Other big 40' limbs swing just enough to clear the lower trees before they drop...

Very effective and useful for an old man that doesn't get out of the bucket much these days..


 
Was the line set towards the end by throw line I assume? A few of those look like they could have easily been easily and safely taken with smaller picks instead of swinging the whole limb. The 1st one looks like the bucket couldn't have gotten much further out that where it was cut...so that one made sense.
 
How is it “tripped”?
And how is it kept from "self tripping" at the wrong time? Wouod be curious to hear. I assume lots of practice to get to just the right amount of holding wood! (and a little hope that a gust of wind doesn't kick up.)
 
Oooo come on tell us what dark art of rigging could this be, its got me so hot and bothered I might slip off this bar stool.. Or it could be the IBS meds kicking in
 
How is it “tripped”?

I use "abracadabra", but other magical words work too..... Sometimes "ok its all you"

Line set old school... 12' pole saw from the bucket... never leave home without one... mine doesn't have a blade... ya and true blue.. WHAT ELSE???

I have a still shot of the crotch use for the rigging line on those big 40' silver maple limbs.. upright not much bigger than our thumb! good rope angles helps a lot!
 
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Here's a video I put up in 2011, but unlisted it after I realized it was incomplete, specifically about a point that Rocky often makes... the limb can act as a giant lever which will act as a force multiplier on the line and rigging system
 
Can't always listen to the din of hecklers(via confident internal locus of control).
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Mechanically i think we'd say that anytime the CoG was further from the hinge pivot than the support of hitchpoint on same load, the load has leverage over the hitchpoint from the benchmark of the pivot. But this is virtually always(if not load either balances or inverts on tearoff, CoG slightly further out than hitch point gives predictable soft fold down w/o inversion on tearoff). Then also as the support of hitch point approached the CoG there would be less leverage against line, but in distance it is pulled tighter perhaps he means this time?
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i think part of the secret there is that the further out the hitch point is the more the rig can self tighten the line to floating limb(after tightened all you can and guessing line tension, let it set it's owqn to finish!). At the same angle of limb hinging down, rope is pulled tighter the further it is out. But the further it is out the more support can hang on even longer to pull rope even tighter. Is this what he means? Cuz actually support nearer CoG would reduce leveraging; be Zer0 @ CoG?
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i think the lower, over the shoulder rope angle gives some support to load by pressing limb back into hinge, and thus needs less hinge. Logically if same rope is pulling away from hinge it separates faster, so in inverse look more hang time on hinge if pressing inwards to 'hinge pocket'. Hinge pocket pressure type support doesn't resist turn hardly at all compared to hinge support. But this leveraged pressure back towards climber is the new risk.
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How is it “tripped”?
By having much support and then relieving some of it, by releasing some rope into system, so less steam pressure in the line and thus is triggered that way to folding by ground control. Then seeks path of least resistance downward, one side of downward is blocked, other side is open face as path of least resistnce calling limb to fold into. High tension rope near CoG, some hinge pocket pressure too makes limb action handle so lightly and deftly.
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If sawyer has left batters box (bucket example etc.), and limb isn't folding as expected, can generally add more weight to trigger by throwlining out past hitchpoint on rigid part of load, seize 1 end of throwline down and pull other end to overload to trigger in lieu of sawyer out of batters box and not there to cut more hinge. Once again this takes less hinge than we are used to if have balance point and pressure back into 'hinge pocket'. Supports given from line tension are tension x cosine for upwards lift ,and tension x sine for 'hinge pocket' pressures theory.
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Rope angle to hitchpoint is present in every rig. Even straight rope without angle(from support point to hitchpoint) should be looked at as having rope angle, but the dial is just simply set to Zer0. BUT this factor is a critical consideration, so pivotal as to always have a place in the formulae, even if only as a place holder for Zer0, should recognize for next time or if during movement rope angle changes (very likely). Should seek to sift out these critical points, and groom to what powers we need to extrude from them, while avoiding their pitfalls from the very start. 2 people can look like doing same job,but the one grooming fine points to maximum target at crit points should get at least 'cleaner movement' if not more successes out right. Of curse then the just say you have good luck!
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ALSO, this rig hands off most of load to line, BEFORE tearoff. Does so more gradually, for less shock thru system and maintains better clearance.
Less shock to line and support point, as also converts from hinge as pivot point ; with rope as assisting support and folding around on 3rd class lever(pivot/control/load)
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most of load on new pivot hitch point BEFORE tearoff
so that well ballasted 1st class lever(control/pivot/load) on rope is more lightly pushed around by hinge
(defining pivot of works as most loaded point?) and machinery to change when pivot changes
'Pivotal Change' as a game changer, when before tearoff and can use hinge/pocket to bulldog fairly well ballanced limb around on tight rope. Totally diferent game,feel, look, positiveness in the action/movement to me.
Less shock to line and support can be just icing on cake, secondary function to the light rigging ballet before hand.
 
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Bottom section shows my tighten strategy of 2xEffort + bodyweight for !linear input. Then when rope hypertensioned to rock hard, bend the rope. The increased resistance to bend gives the leveraged return, then pull more slack out of system. Here the effort input is leg thrust, rather than arm curl for the linear tightening stage. These values are decreased by frictions.
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By using the dual force input method on both sides of 1st class lever is key and (and bodyweight served on input)can give 4xEffort + 3x bodyweight return from a 3:1 Zrig, and 8xEffort + 5x bodyweight return from standard 5x1. This uses same rope strategy as DdRT being 2:1 over own self.
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Then always bend the linear tightened 'bar' to get higher tension return or even 'purchase' of rope out of system. Moving load and/or tightening rope.
 
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These same forces play out in everything around us all day.
But in this land of the giants it is just with more magnified relevance of the 3 basic static multipliers that trees exemplify the most as they reach skyward: length x weight x rigidity that give potential length/forces. Geometry just distributes the potential distance/forces to the inline column(cos) between equal opposites or not (sin).
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So as we fight the magnified forces, can get magnified view;
of how everything works, even if not so long, heavy or rigid.
It is still the same story, just different ratios, even on different path I think.
To me, this view is one of the great gifts, from this thing we do.
I always told the boys the eagles claw is only as sharp as hardness he sharpens it against, and the angle of draw, as mantra to run at/ not from tough lessons.
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Older got his Masters Engineering and a job awhile back(as a resource he has been great about reviewing many concepts presented in last decades of drawings)and is just back from Brazil showing them his setup for citrus plant mechanics, monitoring, management etc.(sorry guess had to brag).

Even when less citrus juice consumption, tons of money made from byproducts that mostly were discarded : OIL, pulp rind etc.
 
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Was the line set towards the end by throw line I assume? A few of those look like they could have easily been easily and safely taken with smaller picks instead of swinging the whole limb. The 1st one looks like the bucket couldn't have gotten much further out that where it was cut...so that one made sense.


They all worked.. which makes sense to me..
 
Thanks for these vids Daniel, as one who is new to trees...many vids are vague and kinda hard to follow. Conversely yours were concise complete and to the point.
 
What makes this cut different is that it is set up to trip remotely, which really isn't needed if you are cutting from rope and saddle, but can save a lot of trouble from the bucket.
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But can still be very useful in tree/for climber, especially if line angle is low over climber's shoulder/pressuring back towards climber for part of support package.
And really further exemplifies how system works, because the trigger for me was ground control triggering by allowing the light overload. Systems generally worry about enough support to catch and lock load. There is no catching impact here, worry is reversed to allowing less not more support!
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The first limb of this video swings about 180 degrees with little or no vertical drop before separation. Other big 40' limbs swing just enough to clear the lower trees before they drop...
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The first pull/doubletake and then another @ 1min. are the best i think.
For me they are the best illustration of target light ballet of large heavy movement!
With the exceptions of needing force to punch thru something or weaknesses that need to just be thrown quick and clean; i think exercising towards light ballet of huge and heavy is best exercise of skills and understandings. Also giving more adjustment time, near Zer0 impacts, lateral/horizontal 'copter spins (as shown), all for better clearance etc.
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The self ballasting parts, taut all the way thru system, placed into motion by simply allowing a light imbalance between load and support to Naturally and lightly trigger fold into controlled motion to LIGHTLY move, roll home predictably like lil'marble on small slanted board is always and all ways to me like light ballet of supreme mechanical movement! What could be better than light, easy, smooth, balanced control of something huge and heavy?
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i like it so much i might need a cigarette and don't even smoke!
 

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