Reliable DIY power ascender

To be doubly safe on the way up, till the rollGliss is mid-line attachable, you could skip using the blake above the rollGliss and just send up both lines at the same time to the initial TIP, the line on the rollGliss and your main line. Then go up on both at once, the rollGliss doing the work on its line and then just taking up slack as you go up on your main line. When you get up there and set aside the rollGliss, you don't have to change over because you would be already hooked up.
That would work too! I won’t be using the original line next time I get the device out. Currently in pieces in the shop! Began cutting away in needed materials and fabricating a fare lead assembly that I can attach to the unit.
The Dewalt model number that you provided is not available here locally so I may have to order one online. Cheapest one I have seen is $279.00.
With all that being being said it might be a bit before I get it back on the rope!
I appreciate all your help!
 
To be doubly safe on the way up, till the rollGliss is mid-line attachable, you could skip using the blake above the rollGliss and just send up both lines at the same time to the initial TIP, the line on the rollGliss and your main line. Then go up on both at once, the rollGliss doing the work on its line and then just taking up slack as you go up on your main line. When you get up there and set aside the rollGliss, you don't have to change over because you would be already hooked up.

That is how I use it. I just let the r500 hang on its own line and I lower it down from the ground.
 
What did anyone find out about the rope? Someone said it was made by a major manufacturer.

I have a tyrolean traverse or zipline to consider. My guess it that its too stretchy for a zipline.

I had an idea that if one were to hang from the zipline from a pulley, and have a second rope redirected through that connection somehow, you could dangle below the pulley, and use a rope walker to pull down on the rope, which is redirected to horizontal through a pulley, changing the motion to sideways along the traverse line.
 
What did anyone find out about the rope? Someone said it was made by a major manufacturer.

I have a tyrolean traverse or zipline to consider. My guess it that its too stretchy for a zipline.

I had an idea that if one were to hang from the zipline from a pulley, and have a second rope redirected through that connection somehow, you could dangle below the pulley, and use a rope walker to pull down on the rope, which is redirected to horizontal through a pulley, changing the motion to sideways along the traverse line.

I cut the snaps off of mine and found a plastic tracer in the core saying it was a new England rope. I believe someone else mentioned that they found the same in their rope. You could probably identify the rope on their website with the markings and diameter of the rope.
 
Well, just like a hitch alone, the ZigZag by itself is not really rated or usable for SRT, especially for someone heavier like me at 190. It is common to add a rope wrench above them for SRT. I simply made my own, which works great so far. The added second biner and short strap just tethers the ZZ/RW combo past the power ascender to the bridge so that the ZZ advances automatically riding on top of the ascender. When I get at height, I can back off on the ascender and sit back on the ZZ/RW which is already connected directly to the bridge. I also use a BDB much of the time instead of the ZZ. The power ascender can be removed at any point and either hung nearby on a limb or lowered to the ground if not needed anymore when moving around in the canopy. I am never at any point in the climb disconnected from my main climbing system and, once the power ascender is removed, the only thing added to my normal system is a second biner and the short strap which is tripled. All of this is rated so seems safe to me and has worked fine so far.
I'm not picking on you but agree it looks like a cluster F of gear, tethers etc. Each link in the chain is a potential point of failure. Perhaps have your back up ascender on a separate tether. Skips the tripped up sling, and either extend your bridge or use a dogbone (?one of those rock climber sewn webbing connectors) . Ascend to the TIP, then lanyard in. (think redundancy) . Afterwards back off on the rollgliss disconnect, then remove the tether of your ascender backup taking it back down to your bridge. Remove lanyard, and play.
Steps like that would clean up your system, add redundancy, and remove needless links in the life support chain.
 
I'm not picking on you but agree it looks like a cluster F of gear, tethers etc. Each link in the chain is a potential point of failure. Perhaps have your back up ascender on a separate tether. Skips the tripped up sling, and either extend your bridge or use a dogbone (?one of those rock climber sewn webbing connectors) . Ascend to the TIP, then lanyard in. (think redundancy) . Afterwards back off on the rollgliss disconnect, then remove the tether of your ascender backup taking it back down to your bridge. Remove lanyard, and play.
Steps like that would clean up your system, add redundancy, and remove needless links in the life support chain.
Hey Evo, thanks for the input. I am actually already using most all of what you suggest, though these short video demo's might look confusing. These were just short up and down things for the camera and don't show me lanyarding in, moving around without the power ascender, etc. As to bringing the main tether back down to the bridge after disconnecting, actually my main tether stays there all the time. It is never disconnected from the bridge. It merely is lengthened to make room for the Rollgliss below it in parallel. The Rollgliss is simply added on a separate tether temporarily til I get up at height, and can be attached or removed without touching the main tether and multiscender. The only added items in the life support chain from bridge to my BDB or ZZ/RW are an additional rated biner and a short rated sling (which is also tripled to shorten it a bit) so I am never depending on anything that is not rated and never have to disconnect from any of it. (This extra biner and short sling would not be necessary if one has an adjustable rope bridge - in that case nothing at all would need to be added to the main life support chain). I think the videos, which are admittedly pretty jerky and unclear in places from my inexperience with the GoPro, might make it all look more complicated than it really is. Say, you are close enough to me to come over on a day off and have a go with it yourself. if you want to check it out in person. You are barely an hour's drive from Anacortes and I live only 600 yards from the Lopez ferry landing. My machine shop is right behind my house so am usually around here even if it is a work day, and I have ropes in three of my biggest trees right now. A number of guys at the BIOMAS event on Bainbridge tried the gadget out and loved it. You are most welcome to come over. In the meantime, I will try and get some better video, maybe with a friend holding a separate camera, to show the set up better.
 
What did anyone find out about the rope? Someone said it was made by a major manufacturer.

I have a tyrolean traverse or zipline to consider. My guess it that its too stretchy for a zipline.

I had an idea that if one were to hang from the zipline from a pulley, and have a second rope redirected through that connection somehow, you could dangle below the pulley, and use a rope walker to pull down on the rope, which is redirected to horizontal through a pulley, changing the motion to sideways along the traverse line.
I don't see why that wouldn't work. :rock: Also the rope that comes with these devices is a 3/8" (10mm) KMIII made by New England Ropes. I had cut the snaps off of mine and removed a couple inches of core to make a taper on the end to make it easier to feed through the device and found a ribbon in the center that shows the NE name and the NFPA and EN1891 standards printed on it. When I looked at NE's web site it looks exactly like the KMIII.
 
I'm not picking on you but agree it looks like a cluster F of gear, tethers etc. Each link in the chain is a potential point of failure. Perhaps have your back up ascender on a separate tether. Skips the tripped up sling, and either extend your bridge or use a dogbone (?one of those rock climber sewn webbing connectors) . Ascend to the TIP, then lanyard in. (think redundancy) . Afterwards back off on the rollgliss disconnect, then remove the tether of your ascender backup taking it back down to your bridge. Remove lanyard, and play.
Steps like that would clean up your system, add redundancy, and remove needless links in the life support chain.
I am using mine exactly the same way one would use the Ropetek Wrapter. I started to cut it all up and make the mods that @Burrapeg had made to his, but after looking at the Wraptor videos online I decided it was good the way it is! I even reinstalled the braking system back into the device. Worse case the device would lower me back to the ground as was it's intended use to begin with.
 
I am using mine exactly the same way one would use the Ropetek Wrapter. I started to cut it all up and make the mods that @Burrapeg had made to his, but after looking at the Wraptor videos online I decided it was good the way it is! I even reinstalled the braking system back into the device. Worse case the device would lower me back to the ground as was it's intended use to begin with.
I think that is an excellent way to use the RollGliss, 39Buick, and also involves almost no mods other than adapting the drill to it. I had a couple of reasons for the other mods that I did. First, I may have to hike some considerable distance to find trees sometimes and I wanted to adapt the device to my main climbing line to avoid having to carry a second rope just for the device. Second, I wanted to resell the smaller kermantle that came with it to recoup some of the purchase price. A third advantage to the mods I did to make it mid-line attachable on my regular ropes is that it could actually be used to traverse or when moving the TIP up, by swapping it over to my tail or my hook line. Now, a serious downside to this thing is that it is spoiling me. It is so nice to use that I am getting lazy about climbing the normal way and am not getting enough exercise!
 
@Burrapeg you have some great points on making your device mid line attachable.
It is a neat little device. Sure makes it easy to get up in the trees. I have played with mine a little bit but have been trying to get RR and climbing line to play nice together!
You are absolutely right about the device making you lazy! I feared this when I first acquired mine.
Have you done any traverses with the rollgliss? That would be a good use for it as well. @southsoundtree had mentioned it in an earlier post. His was with a Zipline. Lots of cool ways to use it!
 
@Burrapeg you have some great points on making your device mid line attachable.
It is a neat little device. Sure makes it easy to get up in the trees. I have played with mine a little bit but have been trying to get RR and climbing line to play nice together!
You are absolutely right about the device making you lazy! I feared this when I first acquired mine.
Have you done any traverses with the rollgliss? That would be a good use for it as well. @southsoundtree had mentioned it in an earlier post. His was with a Zipline. Lots of cool ways to use it!
No traverses with it yet but I am going to try in the morning. I solved the problem of having to hold tension on the tail of the rope coming out of the Rollgliss, to keep the rope from slipping in the shiv. I machined up a swinging arm with a wheel that rides on the rope near the output side, under tension with a short bungee. It climbs steady now on high speed with no slip at all and no need to use my left hand. The bungee flips off really quick so that the arm can swing up to allow the rope to be inserted or removed. I went up and down today about six times to maybe 30 feet with no issues at all. I will get some photos soon and also some more video with the GoPro when I get a chance.
 
Hi All, As I mentioned in the previous post, I solved the issue with my modified RollGliss which required me to hold tension on the tail of the rope to keep it from slipping. I made a swing arm with a wheel on it that rides under bungee tension against the rope on the output side and keeps it tight all the way around the shiv. Works great now, hands-free. I got some GoPro footage this morning of one of the trials where I went up and down about 40 feet and practiced attaching and removing the device from the rope. I am not completely happy with how vulnerable the swinging arm is, if the device were dropped or otherwise abused, but as long as I am careful it should hold up OK. I mean, we need to be careful anyway, with more or less anything we are doing when climbing? About halfway thru the video, you can also see my DIY lanyard adjuster that was inspired by Gordon's BOLA and made basically with a drill press and a metal cutting blade in my bandsaw.

 
Nice job on the mods on the power ascender.
And man oh man you just got to share your plans and parts list on that DIY BOLA.
I'd buy one from him but the price Gordon gets is too steep for the occasional work I get.
 
Nice job on the mods on the power ascender.
And man oh man you just got to share your plans and parts list on that DIY BOLA.
I'd buy one from him but the price Gordon gets is too steep for the occasional work I get.
Thanks for the kind words, dsptech. I don't have any drawings for the home-made BOLA; I just sort of reverse engineered it from seeing it online, in my head. I have had a severe slow-down with work into the shop so have had to tighten the old belt. Otherwise I would have just bought Gordon's. I did buy a Bone from him and love it.
 
@Burrapeg Nice job Stu! You have that thing set up nicely. It has me wondering? What do you think would happen if you lengthen the screws and increase the width of your spacer? Would it allow your rope to be positioned into the sheave further? Would it satisfy the issue of holding the tail of the rope without the need for your new movable arm? I haven't had time of late to mess with mine much or do much climbing for that matter. I need to get out there and back up in the trees!! Be safe my friend and again Nice job!!
 
. . . What do you think would happen if you lengthen the screws and increase the width of your spacer? Would it allow your rope to be positioned into the sheave further? Would it satisfy the issue of holding the tail of the rope without the need for your new movable arm? . . .
The width of the shiv groove does not seem to have much to do with the rope slipping under load. I experimented with different shims before I bolted it together and nothing helped. Something has to physically hold the rope into the shiv near the output side, then it stays completely tight all the way around and works OK. Positioning the rope further into the shiv seems to have little effect except the further in, the slower you ascend. I discovered with my second unit that the shiv does not even need to be split and widened and my full 1/2 inch rope still works fine; and I found I ascend a bit faster since it is riding higher in the shiv.
 
The width of the shiv groove does not seem to have much to do with the rope slipping under load. I experimented with different shims before I bolted it together and nothing helped. Something has to physically hold the rope into the shiv near the output side, then it stays completely tight all the way around and works OK. Positioning the rope further into the shiv seems to have little effect except the further in, the slower you ascend. I discovered with my second unit that the shiv does not even need to be split and widened and my full 1/2 inch rope still works fine; and I found I ascend a bit faster since it is riding higher in the shiv.
I know this is an older post , Im ''intreested'' in one of these units, are they still available
 
The Rollgliss r500 units turn up on eBay regularly, at a varyiing range of prices. But you have to modify them yourself to add a cordless drill and make them usable for a powered ascender. Not too bad a job to do so. Most of the info to convert them is on here in a couple of places.
 

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