Recommendation of lanyard snaps

[evo]

As others have said I’d just go with a tri lock biner. They are made in two different ways, some you have to push the gate up for the first motion, others you pull the gate down.
I have so much muscle memory that I have to only use the kind that works for me.

Swivels suck on a biner ( my opinion) as it can take way too much fumbling to get it orientated right one handed. However they are a must on a wire core lanyard, but that’s not needed for a rec setup.

I have a strong preference for a steel pull down tri act biner on my rope lanyards, and a steel swivel snap for wire cores. The steel adds weight which is needed for throwing (unless you bring a throw bag into the canopy with you, which bugs the living daylights out of me). Word of caution when using steel binders or snaps, watch your face and teeth! I have a gold tooth, from a winch hook, but it’s all the same.

 

[Jonny]

The captive eye and swivel on that DMM are steel, the rest is aluminum, so it's got a little weight for slinging it high or around a thicker spar.
The price tag is what caught my eye, because I was considering that Rock Exotica 80$ one. Even shipped from Germany, those DMMs are under 30$. I'm waiting for 2 more to show up

 

[Jem4417]

My nine foot lanyard. The isc triple locking snap attaches nicely to my pinto pulley for a very short climbing system that I attach to my second bridge

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

The captive eye and swivel on that DMM are steel, the rest is aluminum, so it's got a little weight for slinging it high or around a thicker spar.
The price tag is what caught my eye, because I was considering that Rock Exotica 80$ one. Even shipped from Germany, those DMMs are under 30$. I'm waiting for 2 more to show up

You buying out of Germany? Or UK? Shit.. either way I'm sure it's half the TS retail.. Even rock exotica is cheaper to buy over there right now... $60 vs $80 for Swiva-eye.

Regardless, under 30 is a killer deal for a quality brand with swivel built in.. for some reason the number 28 is stuck in my mind.. did i see these somewhere?

 

[Mowerr]

My nine foot lanyard. The isc triple locking snap attaches nicely to my pinto pulley for a very short climbing system that I attach to my second bridgeView attachment 57954

I remember u posting that pic last spring I believe it was new? Ya I love the pinto for tending and that snap fits the Becket nicely. I've got one set up the same way

 

[Jem4417]

I remember u posting that pic last spring I believe it was new? Ya I love the pinto for tending and that snap fits the Becket nicely. I've got one set up the same way

Haha good eye. Yea it’s not as shiny anymore

 

[climbstihl]

You buying out of Germany? Or UK? Shit.. either way I'm sure it's half the TS retail.. Even rock exotica is cheaper to buy over there right now... $60 vs $80 for Swiva-eye.

Regardless, under 30 is a killer deal for a quality brand with swivel built in.. for some reason the number 28 is stuck in my mind.. did i see these somewhere?

Oddly enough some gear is cheaper here in Germany, even cheaper in the UK. Usually you pay more for everything over here. RockO's are still cheaper in the states though.

 

[Jonny]

You buying out of Germany? Or UK? Shit.. either way I'm sure it's half the TS retail.. Even rock exotica is cheaper to buy over there right now... $60 vs $80 for Swiva-eye.

Regardless, under 30 is a killer deal for a quality brand with swivel built in.. for some reason the number 28 is stuck in my mind.. did i see these somewhere?

They're made in UK, just getting them from an ebay vendor in Germany.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DMM-Sicher...rentrq:5e27dcd71690aadc55a16285fffb444c|iid:1

I think it's the same as the DMM Sidewinder biner, and some US stores got them but they're over 50$.

Here's a creepy pic of it sideloaded at 15kn.

 

[CanadianStan]

They're made in UK, just getting them from an ebay vendor in Germany.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DMM-Sicherheitskarabiner-Haken-H-040-Bruchlast-25-kN-orange-NEU/143127151806?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20180816085401&meid=6072d888a15a4d3680f0e147f64e89bd&pid=100970&rk=1&rkt=12&sd=143127151806&itm=143127151806&_trksid=p2481888.c100970.m5481&_trkparms=pageci:08a729d6-41c0-11e9-9e9b-74dbd1802f13|parentrq:5e27dcd71690aadc55a16285fffb444c|iid:1

I think it's the same as the DMM Sidewinder biner, and some US stores got them but they're over 50$.

Here's a creepy pic of it sideloaded at 15kn. I think this was an intentional testing of a Skylotec lanyard that uses them.
View attachment 57956

 

[climbstihl]

Holy sh*t, 13€ for a DMM swivel biner? That should be way higher even used. I mean, that's the lowest price on a simple carabiner, how can you sell those things for that little...
Maybe I'll pick one up though, although they're really not what I prefer on a lanyard.

 

[Mowerr]

Holy sh*t, 13€ for a DMM swivel biner? That should be way higher even used. I mean, that's the lowest price on a simple carabiner, how can you sell those things for that little...
Maybe I'll pick one up though, although they're really not what I prefer on a lanyard.

Usually there's an interesting reason why somethings are too good to be true....that or nobody's buying them

 

[Mowerr]

They're made in UK, just getting them from an ebay vendor in Germany.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/DMM-Sicher...rentrq:5e27dcd71690aadc55a16285fffb444c|iid:1

I think it's the same as the DMM Sidewinder biner, and some US stores got them but they're over 50$.

Here's a creepy pic of it sideloaded at 15kn.
View attachment 57956

Wow it took 15kn to bend that thing!?

 

[Jonny]

Usually there's an interesting reason why somethings are too good to be true....that or nobody's buying them

Maybe the seller made an error when listing them.
I'm also pretty leery about deals that seem too good, but this is legit. I received it in less than 2 weeks and it's definitely brand new and excellent quality like everything I got from DMM.

 

[Scratch]

I'm in the process of deciding which double locking carabiners I want to buy more of. I have some of the DMM, Notch, Mad Rock, Kong, which are all push up then twist, and Rock Exotica's pull down style. I also recently got a Petzl ball lock, and have had it for a few days and have had a thought about lanyards.

If you use a push type locker for both ends of your lanyard, once you unhook it then toss it around the tree, it is now obviously a pull type since it's turned around as @Bango Skank mentioned earlier in this thread.
Same thing goes if you use the RE pull type lockers. Once it goes around the tree, it's now a push type.

But If you use the Petzl ball lock, when it's in your right hand, your right thumb rests right on the ball, ready to push in...



Once you toss it around the tree and your left hand grabs it upside down, your left thumb is now resting right on the ball, ready to push in also... basically the same unlocking motion as your right hand. No remembering to push to unlock, then a few seconds later, needing to pull.



For me, The ball lock seems to be easier to use upside down, and with the other hand, than any of the other ones I have, which seems to be perfect for a lanyard.

Just a thought...

 

[climbstihl]

I'm in the process of deciding which double locking carabiners I want to buy more of. I have some of the DMM, Notch, Mad Rock, Kong, which are all push up then twist, and Rock Exotica's pull down style. I also recently got a Petzl ball lock, and have had it for a few days and have had a thought about lanyards.

If you use a push type locker for both ends of your lanyard, once you unhook it then toss it around the tree, it is now obviously a pull type since it's turned around as @Bango Skank mentioned earlier in this thread.
Same thing goes if you use the RE pull type lockers. Once it goes around the tree, it's now a push type.

But If you use the Petzl ball lock, when it's in your right hand, your right thumb rests right on the ball, ready to push in...
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Once you toss it around the tree and your left hand grabs it upside down, your left thumb is now resting right on the ball, ready to push in also... basically the same unlocking motion as your right hand. No remembering to push to unlock, then a few seconds later, needing to pull.
View attachment 57986


For me, The ball lock seems to be easier to use upside down, and with the other hand, than any of the other ones I have, which seems to be perfect for a lanyard.

Just a thought...

That would work if you have your lanyard on the right, personally, I keep it on the left away from any tools on the right. Especially the handsaw on the leg which could easily get snagged by a lanyard.

 

[Tony]

I ahve always preferd DMM hardware. Having said that, I often use Rock O carabiners in places where I don’t usually disconnect. That way if I reach back blind, have two carabieners in my hand I can differentiate. The working end of my lanyard is a DMM, the adjustment end is a Rock O. Just the act of having to twist it a different way to open and reposition, is a check for me. I can and often swap my lanyard from work positioning to suspension, but it takes a second or more of “thought.”

 

[moss]

Here's a creepy pic of it sideloaded at 15kn.
View attachment 57956

That's impressive, at 15k the gate is still intact/attached. 3372 pounds force, I find that reassuring. The message there is that the swivel extension is a applying more leverage than would occur in a non-swivel carabiner. Cinching a standard snap or a carabiner/swivel snap hybrid seems a bad idea.
-AJ

 

[Jonny]

Right, I would've expected it to break... or at least pop open.

 

[agiancarli]

Thank you everyone for commenting. Very interesting prospectives from each person describing their likes and dislikes and reasons why they perfer how one piece of gear functions over another.

Good stuff!

-Anthony
Rec Climber

 

[moss]

Right, I would've expected it to break... or at least pop open.

I think there's a misconception that the forged aluminum alloy as used in carabiners is brittle or as fragile as a ceramic vase, it bends quite a bit before failure.

I'd like to see the same test on a say a DMM oval carabiner, probably going to go over 15kn before the gate pops (no leverage from the swivel extension), and then more before the aluminum completely lets go.

No carabiner manufacturer will likely do that or publicize. Understandable, it would undermine their general carabiner safety recommendations.

Would be even more interesting to do that test on say a well secured piece of hardwood same diameter/radius.
-AJ