Quickie killer?

Lignotuber said:
This is pretty much the way I was "going" to use mine, nice to have centering. Curious to see how they improve the design, definitely some room for that.
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Challenge is once a push button release is made safe it's no longer easy to operate with gloves on. Reminds me of the Petzl button release carabiner gate, do not like them.

Your setup looks good, button facing out. wouldn't you want the sheave on the "capture" leg of the line so it will be easier to retrieve on pulldown?

If I had one I'd hold on to it, too many good uses that could be done very safely, as Kevin B. mentioned, just change the instructions.
-AJ
 
moss said:
Reminds me of the Petzl button release carabiner gate, do not like them.
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I actually prefer the petzl ball locks for the the lanyard adjuster attachment on my hip. They are one of the only carabiners that can't be rubbed open. If I ever wind up in a serious accidental swing, I feel the ball lock will resist accidental opening better than a gate that can roll open if friction is applied in the right way.
 
Good info on the recall...nice! Looking forward to seeing how they improve it...

Up next: Ultralink Version 2 - will it be the "quickie killer" we've all been waiting for lol...
 
As @Shadowscape mentioned, the knurling on the pin is so good and effective that just removing that would go a long way to making it safer. Or adding a third action that isn't orientation dependent. That's for someone else to figure out though.
 
Phil said:
I actually prefer the petzl ball locks for the the lanyard adjuster attachment on my hip. They are one of the only carabiners that can't be rubbed open. If I ever wind up in a serious accidental swing, I feel the ball lock will resist accidental opening better than a gate that can roll open if friction is applied in the right way.
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I actually had a situation where my biner gate got into the attachment point on my lanyard adjuster and opened itself. Only happened once in 13 years, but it scared the hell out of me, and ever since I only use biners with corner traps so the gate can never fanagle itself into the adjuster again...

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Njdelaney said:
As @Shadowscape mentioned, the knurling on the pin is so good and effective that just removing that would go a long way to making it safer. Or adding a third action that isn't orientation dependent. That's for someone else to figure out though.
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Heck just making the spring stiffer on the pin release would be an improvement. It’s far too easy to push that button down. As someone with one of the new ISC blocks I was surprised at how much easier it was to depress that button on the quick link vs. their blocks.
 
moss said:
Challenge is once a push button release is made safe it's no longer easy to operate with gloves on. Reminds me of the Petzl button release carabiner gate, do not like them.

Your setup looks good, button facing out. wouldn't you want the sheave on the "capture" leg of the line so it will be easier to retrieve on pulldown?

If I had one I'd hold on to it, too many good uses that could be done very safely, as Kevin B. mentioned, just change the instructions.
-AJ
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Thanks Moss, yeah no intention of getting rid of it. Ideally the sheave would be out but I would have a hard time trusting its orientation staying put, especially considering the release concerns. This set up (shown) mitigates that to where I think I would be comfortable. Honestly the reduced friction wouldn't matter to me all that much, I've made a habit of always coming down next to retrieval leg. Things like Texas tug and flint work great until they don't in my experience. I kinda like the ball locks for certain applications actually, but I agree that benefits will likely be negligible with new safety alterations.
 
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27RMT0N said:
I actually had a situation where my biner gate got into the attachment point on my lanyard adjuster and opened itself. Only happened once in 13 years, but it scared the hell out of me, and ever since I only use biners with corner traps so the gate can never fanagle itself into the adjuster again...

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One of the reasons I use the DMM Director carabiners for my lanyards. Yoke on the working end, and a swivel on the capture end.
Now if DMM would ever return my stuff, life would be good again. They said in February!!!! Bastards!
 
Njdelaney said:
As @Shadowscape mentioned, the knurling on the pin is so good and effective that just removing that would go a long way to making it safer. Or adding a third action that isn't orientation dependent. That's for someone else to figure out though.
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The groove for the release button catches plenty on its own though. Might help to make it smooth but not really a solution in my opinion.
 
Barc Buster said:
Heck just making the spring stiffer on the pin release would be an improvement. It’s far too easy to push that button down. As someone with one of the new ISC blocks I was surprised at how much easier it was to depress that button on the quick link vs. their blocks.
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Wait till you're my age and you have to ask someone to open an ISC block for you.
 
I'm guessing they will change the casting so there is a full protective rim around the button so anything hitting it from the sides will not depress it - effectively making a button press from the top down only. They have a ridge in the casting that protects the button from the shackle side, but not the sides (edit: only on the small - the large doesn't have this ridge probably due to shape). Someone mentioned a stronger spring in the button - that's probably a good idea as well.
 
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I was going to say, they probably have a better idea than we do what should be done, but then I realized they didn't on the first go around. Whatever they do, you probably won't be able to operate it with gloves on.
It's pretty, I will give them that. Almost looks like a DMM product.
 
Phil said:
I actually prefer the petzl ball locks for the the lanyard adjuster attachment on my hip. They are one of the only carabiners that can't be rubbed open. If I ever wind up in a serious accidental swing, I feel the ball lock will resist accidental opening better than a gate that can roll open if friction is applied in the right way.
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I agree, slightly more difficult to rub open. I'll just drop this one here to increase confidence though ✌️
 
Maybe I should make some videos this weekend, but that is still far harder to do than a 'normal' double/triple action carabiner. Having to put the force on that very small button makes a big difference compared to not having it. Saying that as someone who had a 'normal' biner open on him. Wouldn't have happened with that model, 100%.

I know we are all going off on tangents here, but it is an important safety issue that I think is worth exploring.
 
27RMT0N said:
Maybe I should make some videos this weekend, but that is still far harder to do than a 'normal' double/triple action carabiner. Having to put the force on that very small button makes a big difference compared to not having it. Saying that as someone who had a 'normal' biner open on him. Wouldn't have happened with that model, 100%.

I know we are all going off on tangents here, but it is an important safety issue that I think is worth exploring.
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Agreed, more difficult but not impossible. I just put that as a silly reminder that they can still be rubbed open since he said they could not be. I have a ball lock on my lanyard for that reason. I find them equally easy as DMM triple locker after a lil practice. Personal preferences regarding design and safety factors i guess but yeah bit of tangent.
 
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