Prusik and Aluminum Snap

[TreeLogic]

I've always wondered how they could splice two locking brummels to an aluminum snap like this. Then i looked closer. The leg with the shrink wrap/label has a locking brummel but the other is just two brummels and a bury. Is this standard protocol?

 

[jmcscrap]

Yes - It's not impossible to do 2 locked Brummells, but darn close!

 

[TreeLogic]

So, in a nutshell (as I've heard Moray say many times), the locking brummels are NOT absolutely necessary? Just more secure, but actually weaker than a straight bury? And I guess a shorter bury is possible with locking brummels in the mix?

 

[NickfromWI]

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Yes - It's not impossible to do 2 locked Brummells, but darn close!

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Oh really?

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So, in a nutshell (as I've heard Moray say many times), the locking brummels are NOT absolutely necessary? Just more secure, but actually weaker than a straight bury? And I guess a shorter bury is possible with locking brummels in the mix?

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That is correct. Straight bury is stronger. LB is more secure.

Most manufacturers recommend a NON locked splice. I'll take the lock any day. I believe we are at more risk of a non stitched splice falling apart than we are a locked splice getting pulled to point of breaking

 

[TreeLogic]

Nick, I stitch all my buries. I'm guessing you're worried about those who don't, or who do it wrong. Has improper stitching been a problem? 0r have you seen other issues in particular that concern you?

 

[NickfromWI]

The few actual splice failures I've seen are from either REALLY bad splices- or good splices that were not stitched or had the stitching removed

 

[TreeLogic]

So even after a bury has "set" (as I've heard it called) and stitching was removed, it could still slip?

REALLY bad splices:
What common mistakes have you seen that we could learn from?

 

[Tree Access]

@ Nick: You're talking only about hollow braid splices, right?

 

[NickfromWI]

16 strand and hollow braid.

 

[jmcscrap]

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Yes - It's not impossible to do 2 locked Brummells, but darn close!

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Oh really?

For us mere splicing mortals

 

[Tree Access]

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16 strand and hollow braid.

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Yeah, 16 strand is somehwo a hollow braid splice isnt it?
Sorry for the derail!

 

[TreeLogic]

Not a derail. Definitely pertinent.

But 16 strand wouldn't use brummels right?

 

[NickfromWI]

Correct. Straight bury on 16 strand rope. See samson's directions. They are the best 16 strand directions out there.

But if you did...you wouldn't be the first to locking brummell a 16 strand splice

 

[RopeMan]

Wonder if a ring would pass through the one ended locking brummel with out a re-weave on 1/2" tenex tec ?
was going to try it this wahy to use the small ring girthed to a piece for throw line to wiggle it through.

Reversing the lock