PFERD CHAIN SHARP CS-X FILING GUIDE

12 mins to sharpen an MS200....?

Got to 4 mins and wondered about the use of the texta. Surely it is not to mark where you started filing....


Different strokes for different folks!
 
Nope. looks awkward advancing the teeth, (er, moving them backwards in the case of the vid.) The actual positioning / repositioning of the tool for each file pass also looks clumsy. Tool looks heavy, clumsy, expensive, unnecessary.
If someone can't accurately freehand file with a normal file, this system could be a good tool for them. I've gotten pretty good at filing, Something to be said for around 30 years of practice I guess.
On the positive side of things, I love those little stump vices, and think they are the best ones out there. I also use a small Sharpie marker for a reference mark, (or a dab of grease off a chipper bearing)
 
It's a great system for sharpening chains. I think Single Jack was taking his time to allow his video to be more instructive. Sharpening saw chains with the Pfers first system goes quite fast. There's nothing at all awkward about it. It's goof-proof, and efficient.
 
A useful tool for novices or folks that can't file properly.
If you are cutting softwood and want to lower the rakers a bit more, will that gizmo allow for adjustment? Will it ramp the leading edge of the rakers? Or, are you gonna have to go over them with a regular flat file, cause if that's the case, then case closed.
I regard it as a cumbersome and unnecessary $40.00 paperweight.
 
I've used the first version of the Pferd for a LONG time. I can't recall needing to do anything with the depth guages...ever.

Using only a round file doesn't dress the depth guages. doing both at once simplifies sharpening.
 
Just how long does it take youse to lower depth gauges with a conventional depth gauge file anyway? You only need to lower them occasionally, not every time the chain gets sharpened! And anybody who thinks they need to check a raker gauge on each and every tooth before lowering them is just plain out to lunch. If the teeth are getting filed the same amount, then the raker height shouldn't vary from tooth to tooth. Any time savings are insignificant at best, and I think the same video showing a MS 460 or 660 with a 24" bar (84 DL) getting sharpened with the CS-X would be a great substitute for NyQuil. Extremely Zen-like and tranquil. Cue the pan flute and lotus blossoms.

Their gadget does two things at once, but it is only gonna be of real usefulness to those who can't get good results filing chain with a round file (and flat file for the rakers).
 
Pelorus,

You're never going to be convinced that the Pferd system will work for YOU. No big deal. What I've found is that it works much better for almost anyone who hand sharpens a saw.

After listening to an engineer from Oregon Chain go over the mechanics of how chain cuts it makes sense to pay attention to depth gauge dimensions. Tim Ard had a chain at a demo one time that he setup to show the importance of depth gauges. on one side the teeth were full length, almost brand new. On the other side he had ground off about 80% of the tooth. It was obvious to see that the teeth were lopsided. Then he showed that the depth gauges were shortened to compensate for the amount of wood taken off by each side of the chain. As long as they both plane off the same depth the chain should cut straight. The proof was in the pudding. He cut some rounds and they were square cuts and the chips were huge! Proved it for me.

I guess by your estimation I'm out to lunch. So be it...I do enjoy a good lunch :)

Do what you're successful at. Teaching someone how to sharpen chain with just a file and handle is NOT easy. Well, teaching is easy, learning isn't.

Teaching and learning with either Pferd system has proven easy to me over the years.
 
Tom,
I don't think you are out to lunch, but I do think you missed my point about not having to check the raker clearance on every single tooth though. Unless of course someone is inconsistent in filing teeth, and every tooth varies!

My local Stihl dealer carries the Pferd CS-X. I've seen it, and picked it up, and put it back down. You are correct: it ain't for me. Different strokes for different folks. Incidently, a few weeks ago, a large trailer park / conference grounds asked me if I would be interested in sharpening their chains. Seems nobody on staff can, and they end up getting the saw shop to grind about 80 chains a year. The Pferd system would be absolutely ideal for them, or for anyone not adept in freehand saw filing. I have a theory that those who can't file are very good at dulling saws ( beyond ordinary dullness) and several neighbours prove this repeatedly.
 
Nick, you are the best salesman TreeStuff hasn't hired yet.
Am certainly willing to spring for $17 if that sucker doesn't crimp my style. And Luke knows I don't mind buying gear from him!
But in all seriousness, getting a seriously sharp chain doesn't require any kinda guide. I contract climb (as time allows) for two other tree outfits, and they often ask me to touch up one of two of their saws.

Anyone doing this biz full time should be able to tie knots and file a chain.
Some can do one, and not the other. Some can do neither very well.
 
btw, Nick, does Big Green allow their crews to sharpen saws on the job? I heard a rumour to the contrary last week. The local Bartlett boys used to be sent out with an extra loop or two of chain, but all sharpening was done back at the shop.
 
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