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Pfanner Gladiator pants
- Thread starter familytree
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- Location
- Haddonfield, nj
Ah crap. I placed the order already solely based on what you said. I've got three pairs coming my way, I wonder how much it's going to cost to ship them back.....
Na man. I didn't place the order yet. No worries. I'll give honey bros a call and ask them whats going on. I appreciate the heads up though.
Na man. I didn't place the order yet. No worries. I'll give honey bros a call and ask them whats going on. I appreciate the heads up though.
- Location
- Austin, TX
I would have felt terrible. The guys at Honeybros are great to talk to. I think our $$ put them in a good mood.
- Location
- United Kingdom
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Mark,I just read my post and have an awful feeling it might be the other way around. As for climbing and cs heavier..I can't remember anymore I bought those pants last year and I knew at the time but not anymore.
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Your sort of right and wrong at the same time.
A's are front protection only.
C's are all round protection and are heavier.
In the UK we are supposed to use C's for climbing because of the extra protection when using saws in unusual positions, and A's are acceptable on the ground where the safe stance while using a saw should negate the need for all round protection.
But you are right in what you say that A's would be best for climbing cos they are lighter. If you don't have to have all round (C) then go for the A's. Lighter and Cheaper.
Mark,I just read my post and have an awful feeling it might be the other way around. As for climbing and cs heavier..I can't remember anymore I bought those pants last year and I knew at the time but not anymore.
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Your sort of right and wrong at the same time.
A's are front protection only.
C's are all round protection and are heavier.
In the UK we are supposed to use C's for climbing because of the extra protection when using saws in unusual positions, and A's are acceptable on the ground where the safe stance while using a saw should negate the need for all round protection.
But you are right in what you say that A's would be best for climbing cos they are lighter. If you don't have to have all round (C) then go for the A's. Lighter and Cheaper.
Tobe_Sherrill
New member
- Location
- North Carolina, USA
Guys,
FYI - yesterday we decided to drop Pfanner pants from our catalog for a couple of reasons, a big one being this perception that SherrillTree is over charging for the product. As said before on the Buzz, the chainsaw protected pant approved for the US market is different from the Euro product based on words from Pfanner themselves (i have to trust their reported exchange with UL, i'm not an expert in this field). In short the Euro product is not legal for resale in the US. As always, where and what you buy for protection is your choice. Dropping a quality product line based on false perceptions (as well as many import challenges) is our choice. Perhaps another US supplier will pick them up to cash in on the tremendous margins that SherrillTree is willing to give up.
As for the Treemotion, Teufelberger has now made this product available through New England Ropes (sister company) to all dealers in the US. This is a great product that we've invested 3 solid years and several bucks promoting. This year, as last, we will be selling it for $399 (advertised at $463 in print due to 2008 Euro exchange rate at catalog issue time). When i did the conversion rate on Honey Brothers new "sale price on line," it comes to $362 US dollars before any tax or shipping. They receive this product without customs fees or declarations and by truck while SherrillTree has to get product by boat and with significant fees and taxes.
I'm sorry that a few of you feel so compelled to buy off shore on items that I am convinced are very fairly priced here in the USA.
We remain committed to serving your residual needs and will do all it takes to win you back when and if the opportunity arises.
Looking forward,
Tobe
FYI - yesterday we decided to drop Pfanner pants from our catalog for a couple of reasons, a big one being this perception that SherrillTree is over charging for the product. As said before on the Buzz, the chainsaw protected pant approved for the US market is different from the Euro product based on words from Pfanner themselves (i have to trust their reported exchange with UL, i'm not an expert in this field). In short the Euro product is not legal for resale in the US. As always, where and what you buy for protection is your choice. Dropping a quality product line based on false perceptions (as well as many import challenges) is our choice. Perhaps another US supplier will pick them up to cash in on the tremendous margins that SherrillTree is willing to give up.
As for the Treemotion, Teufelberger has now made this product available through New England Ropes (sister company) to all dealers in the US. This is a great product that we've invested 3 solid years and several bucks promoting. This year, as last, we will be selling it for $399 (advertised at $463 in print due to 2008 Euro exchange rate at catalog issue time). When i did the conversion rate on Honey Brothers new "sale price on line," it comes to $362 US dollars before any tax or shipping. They receive this product without customs fees or declarations and by truck while SherrillTree has to get product by boat and with significant fees and taxes.
I'm sorry that a few of you feel so compelled to buy off shore on items that I am convinced are very fairly priced here in the USA.
We remain committed to serving your residual needs and will do all it takes to win you back when and if the opportunity arises.
Looking forward,
Tobe
- Location
- Austin, TX
Tobe,
I personally don't hold a grudge to your prices. I own Stretch Air pants with your logo on it and was okay paying the price. I did buy a bunch of stuff from the UK in January 2009, including Gladiators, because the british pound had dropped so much against the dollar that goods bought in the UK were dirt cheap. When the markets are stable or, as usual, I but a lot of my stuff from you and I agree that by the time you pay shipping from Europe your prices are very competitive.
Will you still be selling Pfanner products but just won't be advertised or are you stopping altogether the imports?
Looking forward to the new catalog.
I personally don't hold a grudge to your prices. I own Stretch Air pants with your logo on it and was okay paying the price. I did buy a bunch of stuff from the UK in January 2009, including Gladiators, because the british pound had dropped so much against the dollar that goods bought in the UK were dirt cheap. When the markets are stable or, as usual, I but a lot of my stuff from you and I agree that by the time you pay shipping from Europe your prices are very competitive.
Will you still be selling Pfanner products but just won't be advertised or are you stopping altogether the imports?
Looking forward to the new catalog.
- Location
- Austin, TX
Hey Rupe ,
thanks for clearing that up. I have a good feeling I'll manage to remember it now.
thanks for clearing that up. I have a good feeling I'll manage to remember it now.
Tobe_Sherrill
New member
- Location
- North Carolina, USA
PS - the "tremendous margin" comment in that last post should have been followed by a ;-) It was a joke. Much like the margins as a reseller of 90% of product in this very competitive market. You have to really love it to be here.
- Location
- North of Boston
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PS - the "tremendous margin" comment in that last post should have been followed by a ;-) It was a joke. Much like the margins as a reseller of 90% of product in this very competitive market. You have to really love it to be here.
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I will second that!
PS - the "tremendous margin" comment in that last post should have been followed by a ;-) It was a joke. Much like the margins as a reseller of 90% of product in this very competitive market. You have to really love it to be here.
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I will second that!
- Location
- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
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Nothing like those real Pfanner's from Europe! The fit is different than what is available here in the states. I have both models in climbing and chainsaw pro I prefer the euro models.
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I'm not sure what it is about the Gladiators, but the fit is exceptional. Even though they're type C with full Kevlar all around they are really, really comfortable, and lighter than you would think. Certain features are an advance over other pairs. Pfanner covered all the fine details and crafted an exceptional pair of chainsaw protective pants.
I've used a range of chainsaw protective pants over the years, Stihls, Husqvarnas, Cloggers out of New Zealand, undoubtedly the Pfanner Glads are in a class by themselves, are the best I have ever worn. I climb in them daily.
Normally I write manufacturers a polite letter, suggesting ways to improve their product; extreme end-user feedback. For Pfanner, the letter might just as well read "Thank You", not for the steep price tag, but for producing for us CLIMBERS a product that warrants and can stand up to that price. All I can say is, they're really remarkable. For Pfanner, to produce this level of pant, and calling this price, into a small and already highly competitive market, THAT takes a lot of courage.
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im currently in the market for the pfanner chainsaw pants but im having difficulties finding my size.
apparently they have pants that go up to a 31 waist, then the next size up is 34. i am a 32. i tried the 34....way too big, I tried on the 31...way too small
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As far as your sizing goes. I had Tobe walk me and a couple pairs over to the Arborwear booth so I didn't have to drop trou right there at the Sherrill booth, ha ha.
Get the 31's. Not too small, as long as you don't get bigger.
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I'm sorry that a few of you feel so compelled to buy off shore on items that I am convinced are very fairly priced here in the USA.
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A great time to do this is when the product is simply<u> not available here</u>. Purchasing from one of our suppliers, from our forum sponsors casts support not only for the maker of the gear, but also a vote for the companies working so hard to see that the gear is available to our industry. The difference between $365 and $400 is a spit in the wind, face it.
Price these pant's against a bite into an ankle by a saw, just for perspective.
Nothing like those real Pfanner's from Europe! The fit is different than what is available here in the states. I have both models in climbing and chainsaw pro I prefer the euro models.
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I'm not sure what it is about the Gladiators, but the fit is exceptional. Even though they're type C with full Kevlar all around they are really, really comfortable, and lighter than you would think. Certain features are an advance over other pairs. Pfanner covered all the fine details and crafted an exceptional pair of chainsaw protective pants.
I've used a range of chainsaw protective pants over the years, Stihls, Husqvarnas, Cloggers out of New Zealand, undoubtedly the Pfanner Glads are in a class by themselves, are the best I have ever worn. I climb in them daily.
Normally I write manufacturers a polite letter, suggesting ways to improve their product; extreme end-user feedback. For Pfanner, the letter might just as well read "Thank You", not for the steep price tag, but for producing for us CLIMBERS a product that warrants and can stand up to that price. All I can say is, they're really remarkable. For Pfanner, to produce this level of pant, and calling this price, into a small and already highly competitive market, THAT takes a lot of courage.
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im currently in the market for the pfanner chainsaw pants but im having difficulties finding my size.
apparently they have pants that go up to a 31 waist, then the next size up is 34. i am a 32. i tried the 34....way too big, I tried on the 31...way too small
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As far as your sizing goes. I had Tobe walk me and a couple pairs over to the Arborwear booth so I didn't have to drop trou right there at the Sherrill booth, ha ha.
Get the 31's. Not too small, as long as you don't get bigger.
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I'm sorry that a few of you feel so compelled to buy off shore on items that I am convinced are very fairly priced here in the USA.
[/ QUOTE ]
A great time to do this is when the product is simply<u> not available here</u>. Purchasing from one of our suppliers, from our forum sponsors casts support not only for the maker of the gear, but also a vote for the companies working so hard to see that the gear is available to our industry. The difference between $365 and $400 is a spit in the wind, face it.
Price these pant's against a bite into an ankle by a saw, just for perspective.
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- Haddonfield, nj
I tried the 31 waist..... Eh not so much
Not exactly forgiving and seemed entirely too tight. I need a little more room especially for the colder months when i'm wearing thermals.
At this point, I could care less about how much I spend for the pants, I just want them now and I can't find ANY mail order place located here in the states that have my size
Not exactly forgiving and seemed entirely too tight. I need a little more room especially for the colder months when i'm wearing thermals.
At this point, I could care less about how much I spend for the pants, I just want them now and I can't find ANY mail order place located here in the states that have my size
- Location
- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
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Not exactly forgiving and seemed entirely too tight. I need a little more room especially for the colder months when i'm wearing thermals.
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Practically speaking, these are thermals. Working down to near 0 deg. F this past Winter these pants gave and gave and gave. Now, familytree, I'm not going to try to sell you on these pants. My wife about castrated me when I told her what I had bought at TCIA'09. I'm not kiddin, you can have a serious marital meltdown over a piece of PPE. FOr the grief I got, I shoulda brought home a spider lift.[ QUOTE ]
At this point, I could care less about how much I spend for the pants,
[/ QUOTE ]Um, As a fellow arborist, from me to you, I would discuss this with your honey, first. She's not going to understand no matte what you say, so let her do the saying. Listen well, hear her go on about the other bills that need to be paid and if she starts to mention them per individually, that could take awhile so get yourself a chair, this is time well-invested.
Not exactly forgiving and seemed entirely too tight. I need a little more room especially for the colder months when i'm wearing thermals.
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Practically speaking, these are thermals. Working down to near 0 deg. F this past Winter these pants gave and gave and gave. Now, familytree, I'm not going to try to sell you on these pants. My wife about castrated me when I told her what I had bought at TCIA'09. I'm not kiddin, you can have a serious marital meltdown over a piece of PPE. FOr the grief I got, I shoulda brought home a spider lift.[ QUOTE ]
At this point, I could care less about how much I spend for the pants,
[/ QUOTE ]Um, As a fellow arborist, from me to you, I would discuss this with your honey, first. She's not going to understand no matte what you say, so let her do the saying. Listen well, hear her go on about the other bills that need to be paid and if she starts to mention them per individually, that could take awhile so get yourself a chair, this is time well-invested.
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- Location
- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
As far as the deep Winter use, I chose light polypro or silk-thin barrier fabric.
These pants can get warm, pounding through the upper canopy of some monster elm or whatever, but minimal thermal is key. We buy these for our occubation, and our occupation is a rather physically demanding one, whether climbing, using chainsaw or dragging and chipping brush. We move all day, and I found while climbing, a slippery fabric against the Pfanner's already slick inner fabric, mmmmmm. But at ~25 deg. F and up, ANY inner thermals is too much. I am not looking forward to warm weather with these.
These pants can get warm, pounding through the upper canopy of some monster elm or whatever, but minimal thermal is key. We buy these for our occubation, and our occupation is a rather physically demanding one, whether climbing, using chainsaw or dragging and chipping brush. We move all day, and I found while climbing, a slippery fabric against the Pfanner's already slick inner fabric, mmmmmm. But at ~25 deg. F and up, ANY inner thermals is too much. I am not looking forward to warm weather with these.
- Location
- Central Hardwood Belt, USA
They Climb in the rain well.
It's nice to have knee/shin protection, this helps me bust certain moves more comfortably, crux issues where you've gotta use everything you've got, they are protective in a way that is outside of the chainsaw. The pants just climb really well.
There is only ONE area NOT protected by Kevlar, and therefor has no thermal insulation and that is your azz . Be careful where you sit, and if you get a chainsaw in the azz it's either because you're using it wrong or your wife still has a point to prove.
It's nice to have knee/shin protection, this helps me bust certain moves more comfortably, crux issues where you've gotta use everything you've got, they are protective in a way that is outside of the chainsaw. The pants just climb really well.
There is only ONE area NOT protected by Kevlar, and therefor has no thermal insulation and that is your azz . Be careful where you sit, and if you get a chainsaw in the azz it's either because you're using it wrong or your wife still has a point to prove.
classictruckman
Participating member
- Location
- Ottawa Valley, Ontario, Canada
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I am not looking forward to warm weather with these.
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I can't speak for the type C which is what I think you bought(I just got them in and haven't tried yet), but the type A is alot like wearing a pair of jeans during the summer. Your wife might try to throw you out but you might want to pickup a pair of Type A Pfanners for the summer.
I am not looking forward to warm weather with these.
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I can't speak for the type C which is what I think you bought(I just got them in and haven't tried yet), but the type A is alot like wearing a pair of jeans during the summer. Your wife might try to throw you out but you might want to pickup a pair of Type A Pfanners for the summer.
Tobe_Sherrill
New member
- Location
- North Carolina, USA
Boy, I messed up.
A gentleman on another site asked why he couldn't find the above mentioned price on our site and i responded that i must have misquoted if i said 399.
Upon traveling back to this thread i realize that when i ran the calculation on Honey Brothers tm price at $362 US dollars i "blipped" from memory our price on Phanner Gladiator pants going on in another discussion. Our 2009/10 price on treemotion is actually $499 not $399.
If it helps to affirm the "blip" you'll notice I also said our printed catalog price was $463 while on page 29 it's $563.
i honestly don't know how HB is selling this saddle that cheap, so for those seeking this great product, my perception of reasonable difference was ...not so reasonable. All other Euro dealers like Freeworker, Drayer, SDA and such are selling it for $460- $515 US dollars before export fees. Yep, i make mistakes.
A gentleman on another site asked why he couldn't find the above mentioned price on our site and i responded that i must have misquoted if i said 399.
Upon traveling back to this thread i realize that when i ran the calculation on Honey Brothers tm price at $362 US dollars i "blipped" from memory our price on Phanner Gladiator pants going on in another discussion. Our 2009/10 price on treemotion is actually $499 not $399.
If it helps to affirm the "blip" you'll notice I also said our printed catalog price was $463 while on page 29 it's $563.
i honestly don't know how HB is selling this saddle that cheap, so for those seeking this great product, my perception of reasonable difference was ...not so reasonable. All other Euro dealers like Freeworker, Drayer, SDA and such are selling it for $460- $515 US dollars before export fees. Yep, i make mistakes.
- Location
- Watertown, WI
thanks for the info
- Location
- Longmont, CO
Thanks for the update and clarifications.
