Petzl Ascension and Grigri

The system that you're looking for is called RADS-Rope Ascending Descending System.

Search here for some threads about RADS.

Google will lead you to lots of information too.

When you get your system configured do not test it by climbing into a tree. This may sound like silly advice. The best way to test any new component is 'Low and Slow'. Set up your system then back away from the tree. Use the system to 'pull' you 'up/towards' the tree with your feet firmly on the ground. A really good test setup is to make up a treadmill. Have your rope set into a tie in point. Then, take the other end and wrap it around the tree enough times to belay yourself. As you 'climb' the rope have a belayer give you rope so that you never get more than a couple of feet off the ground. Be sure to tie a stopper knot ten feet or so from the end of the rope so that the belayer doesn't let the end slip through their hands and drop you...ouch!

Welcome to the world of SRT...ahhhh...another convert!
 
Well Tom, you can make that 2 converts, I am now using the RAD system, and I wonder what took me so long. Good points you mentioned about trying the system out. When you incorperate your legs into climbing the rope, the energy savings are incredible.

One quetion I am still pondering is, when decending on the Gri-Gri (Eddie/I'D/Stop) do you HAVE to use a back-up?
 
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One quetion I am still pondering is, when decending on the Gri-Gri (Eddie/I'D/Stop) do you HAVE to use a back-up?

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Nope, the descenders you describe completely enclose the rope and have hands off stop. Back-up would be redundantly redundant. You need two hands to operate these descenders, one on the lever, the other belaying the tail below the descender. If you had a back up hitch for example you would need three hands to run the whole system. No need to get a third arm implanted, it's not needed.

The primary hazard is putting the descender upside down on the rope, that will cause uncontrolled descent. The secondary hazard is pulling down hard on the lever in a panic situation, not letting go and causing uncontrolled descent. This can only happen with the Grigri, the I'D and Eddy lock-off if you pull too hard. Tree climbers seem to have it hard-coded in their DNA that "let go" stops descent and grabbing makes you drop so the Grigri is fine by me.
-moss
 
A retractable arm could be useful sometimes though, Moss :)

Very good point about having a brake hand on the rope during descent. Too often climbers don't follow that basic part of rapelling protocol.

It's always good to hear about another convert, TreeD!
 
Yup Tom I am all for the third arm too! Just so you guys don't think I am a freak of nature, the first few times I used the RAD set-up, I took the foot loop (prussik cord) and tied a 4 coil prussik above the gri-gri. I repelled down the length of the cord using moss's 2 handed approach. I then reached up and slid the prussik hitch down, then repeat. I think most of us OLD climbers have trust issues with new technique and equipment UNTIL we use it for a while.

As of yesterday, there is another convert. My son, who works for a Utility trimming Co. is really excited about setting up his own RAD system.

As I have quite a selection of saddles, we tried a comparison between a leg strap saddle (Weaver 1038 w/2 floating D's) and a butt board saddle (Petzl miniboss). We were both of the opinion that the butt board, made the acsent easier. This of course goes against the thinking that a leg strap saddle is easier to get around the crown of a tree to prune.

I have spent about two months tinkering with the RAD system, and have even done a comparison on the three systems (DbRT/SRT/Hybrid). Each has its own merits, and IMO the climber should select the system which will make working the tree, as efficient as possible. For instance it would be redundant to set up a hybrid system to climb up 30 feet and remove 1 little hanger.

The reason I started exploring the RAD system is that I wasn't using my legs as efficiently as possible. Because of a major accident (NOT tree related) I am unable to footlock. I actually had a tree to work early this summer, that had a 8" diameter fail at the trunk. The limb tip landed on the roof of a cabin, and was still attached by a few fibres at the trunk. As I had only heard about the RAD system, it wasn't an option. I used a DbRT set-up to climb the side opposite of the trunk. If I had of used the RAD system, I could have accessed the tree many feet away from the swing path of the limb, kinda like my old Karate instructor used to say, "best defence is NOT to be there".

I was trying to figure out what was the most efficient system from that other thread. I have come to the conclusion that it is the system that keeps the INDIVIDUAL climbers energy level reserve high.

I am probably WRONG!
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