"Pendulum swinging" something by tip-tying a fixed-line of bull-rope? (instead-of a Vert.Speedline)

[rico]

I don't get people thinking spurring is easier unless it's basically impossible to do without them. There's a comfortable place to be and cut basically anywhere in a tree (besides a smooth trunk) and you don't have to pay attention to knives on your feet in relation to your rope or other foot.

Someone who is truly comfortable in a pair of spur will almost always be able to do a removal job much quicker and efficiently with spurs than without them....

 

[southsoundtree]

Fwiw, I avoid tree spurs as much as possible, preferring pole spurs.

This also helps with using them when I want, or being sole-on-tree.

I drag my spur up the trunk, giving me an additional contact point for balance, making it hard to insert into rope or ankle.


I get working if a rope as much as possible/ reasonable.

Spurless is sometimes torque-y on my knees, holding some weird, sometimes wet positions. I try to do spreading tree opening in drier days/ parts of the days.
Spurs will stick in the rain.









I'd disagree about there being a good place to cut anywhere in a tree, spurless or spurs.

 

[islandarb]

I use pole gaffs. Thin barked trees here. There are certain trees I would never remove without them. Then we have some they are just a handicap. SRT without them is so fast and fluid. Growing wide and out. All situational for me to be truthful.

 

[Chaplain242]

Its possible, but with a horizontal line you'll need to have more pretension than the piece weighs. Otherwise it will just stretch the rope downward once released. That much pretension will also cause quite a bit of movement in a spindly tree once it releases. It's best when trying to swing into another tree that the rigging point be much higher if possible. You can see a similar setup here, butt tied instead of tip tied, and it makes contact near the tree before getting horizontal movement. https://photos.app.goo.gl/K6X94qvMQWJcWV6F8

Used this setup because the job specs was to get the brush into the edge of the woods. I didn't have to move any brush once I untied it. We used the same rigging point for the logs and landed them in the stretch of grass between the removal and the wood line.

You will get fat working like that

 

[SomethingWitty]

Someone who is truly comfortable in a pair of spur will almost always be able to do a removal job much quicker and efficiently with spurs than without them....

Those people never really learned to move through a canopy, and I'm specifically talking about hardwood trees or huge decurrent conifers.
There aren't people who can smoke me moving through a tree while wearing spurs. There's no way. They make your feet so much worse at being nimble, even with all the skill in the world.

 

[rico]

I suggest you reread my post.....

The key is "someone who is truly comfortable in a pair of spurs. In this case they will undoubtedly be able to do almost all removals faster with spurs than without them......

 

[SomethingWitty]

I suggest you reread my post.....

The key is "someone who is truly comfortable in a pair of spurs. In this case they will undoubtedly be able to do almost all removals faster with spurs than without them......

I read it. I am saying that that's not true if they're truly comfortable without them as well. It's like saying that if you're comfortable while wearing a backpack it is easier to hike even when you don't have any reason to carry a backpack.
Maybe my position is biased because almost every removal I get is technical and requires lots of movement away from vertical stems. Setting load transfers, tip tying, small diameter cut and toss, and just generally moving laterally, where standing on your feet and jamming toes and heels is the instinctive way to move and stabilize as you go.
Excurrent conifers are definitely a foil here, especially the kinds that have smaller branches that rarely need to be removed in more than a couple of cuts to fit in the landing zone. There are hardwoods that tend to be in that category as well, like sycamores that haven't been topped previously, the few bigleaf maples I have seen, and I am sure there are many others.

 

[Scheffa]

It’s horses for courses I’m guessing, im a removals climber and line clearance climber where we are required to wear to spurs.
A lot of the eucalyptus we work in I simply cannot see how someone could possibly be quicker spurless, even if they were super comfortable spurless

 

[SomethingWitty]

It’s horses for courses I’m guessing, im a removals climber and line clearance climber where we are required to wear to spurs.
A lot of the eucalyptus we work in I simply cannot see how someone could possibly be quicker spurless, even if they were super comfortable spurless

If a eucalyptus is as similar to climbing a giant crapemyrtle as it looks like it is, then it falls squarely into the category of things that are not made to climb without spurs.