Obama's getting too much attention...

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it should be an option to help the less fortunate, not jammed own our throats the way it is.

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I can't help but think I have heard this talking point somewhere before.....

Either way, it sounds homophobic to me.


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comparing the sharing of a bucket truck and providing medical care for all, sounds like what politicians spew out

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Boycot all branch manager attachments that's what I say!
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So what you guys are saying is "it is what it is, if you can't afford it too bad". Do I have this right?
 
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Dude,
You got your healthcare bill.

And now you want me to feel all warm and fuzzy inside? that aint going to happen.

Last time I checked a thread on a public forum didn't have enough pull to sway the minds of our elected officials. So I guess you guys are golden.

Now get right out there and enjoy your day!
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Ok, first of all let’s not overlook the “fact” that our government is “forcing” us to buy a product from a private company for the first time in the history or our “free country”. This is an absolute anti American act by the leaders of this country. Our government has taken over our financial institutions, our auto industry, and now our healthcare industry. If you honestly don’t see any problem with that I would suggest taking a good look at all the things the government has placed itself in control of in the past and follow the trail (including the cost to the tax payer) all the way to yesterday and do tell which one program is run more efficiently than if it were run by the private sector. I’ll save you some time and tell you, not one program is more efficient nor is the customer service or product it offers better in any way.

I will go on to say that health care has always been available not only to Americans, but to illegal immigrants as well. Insurance is a product that some may not be able to afford and I don’t believe I should be forced to buy it, not for myself and certainly not for you and all your kids and their kids kids. I have two children and being self employed I had no insurance to cover the birth or any other health related expense for several years. I made arrangements with the hospital every time we went in and I made payments for 13 years to cover those expenses. I was never denied a single operation, medication, or any other medical expense.

Health care could be looked at like a three legged table. One leg being quality, one being availability, and one being affordability. The first one “quality” is around an eight on the scale of one through ten, ten being the highest. This leg is already wobbly and in some hospitals it has fallen off. Quality will most definitely be sacrificed as we open the doors to thirty percent more customers who will be there for any and every ache and pain. Preventative maintenance will also clog up the system so while Mrs Frugal is having her nee cap examined for a bone spur your sitting in line with broken arm. Good luck with that free health care.

Second is availability. We are making insurance “available to those with pre existing conditions which I am one with such a condition but I have insurance so……….I expect the company I’m with will be sending me an increase as this bill unfolds. What we are not going to be able to make available is health care because we really won’t be increasing the quality as that is impossible so what we are making available is a new law, you must buy health insurance. Period.

Third, and the best part, affordability. Now simple math will point you in the direction here as we dissect this part of the worst disaster in the history of our great country. Take a business, any business, and force that said business to take on new business that it cannot make money on such as a patient with pre existing conditions and force that company to eat the cost of that said business. Now you being the CEO how could you possibly cover the losses from such a tragedy? You could raise the rates on your current customers or you could get the tax payers to pitch in and cover your losses. Either way the money will be taken by force from someone who “earned it” and given as a charity to someone who in many cases made choices and decisions that prohibited them from earning it. Some do have serious healthcare issues but they are most definitely the minority in this case as remember no one is denied healthcare in this country. The tax payers already pick up their bills for them.

Reflection,

Sadly, there are several problems with this law that have yet to be properly answered. First, there has been no mention about how the quality of health care could possibly be improved by adding at least 30 million individuals to the current system. Adding to that problem is a survey reported in the New England Journal of Medicine this month which cited that because of the passage of this law, nearly one-third of the doctors will leave their profession.

Second, supporters have misrepresented the contents of this law. One example is the prohibition against insurance companies from banning adults with pre-existing conditions. This provision doesn't take effect immediately. It actually won't take effect until 2014. Another example is Obama telling us that our insurance premiums will go down $2,500 a year. Does he really believe that people are that gullible?

Supporters have also conveniently forgotten to tell the people who enjoy the Cadillac insurance plans that their benefits will be heavily taxed beginning in 2018.

And there is the matter regarding the actual cost of this law. According to its supporters, the $940 billion price tag is really saving us money. Only in Washington does "Alice in Wonderland" economics actually apply. By the way, how many government entitlement programs have actually come in, or under, their proposed cost?

There will be taxes taken from our paychecks to pay for long term care which looks exactly like social security but the extraction will be between $150 and $250 per month depending on how old you are. Remember as well, the guy who wrote this bill said he doesn't understand it all so your government has voted on a bill they did not read. I guess thats ok too.
 
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I admit it, I can not afford it.
Yep, I need your help.

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Jesse, you of the solo euc removal fame?! dont have health insurance?!

You sir, are a brave man.
 
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This bill should NEVER have been passed in the state it was, or in the rushed fashion in which it was.

Its not going to save us any money, and it wont be good for anyone but welfare recipients. My family does not want more taxes, I assure you of this.

Nationalized healthcare doesnt work well anywhere it is in place. canada, frnace, germany, etc etc. Long lines, prepaying for services, hig taxes, being forced to see this dr., instead of the one you want to see......the list goes on and on.

Now all we can do is make change this fall, VOTE!
 
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Vote for who?

All that's come out of the republican camp is to say no to any propsed legislation. They haven't offered squat except obstruction. Secondly, you conveniently forget (or chose to) the Bush one trillion dollar giveaway to private insurers for the Medicare Advantage program which only increased general health care costs by 20%. I don't recall any complaints from the loudest of the squawkers here now claiming "socialist takeover" of America.

Reference to polling by the right wing claims that most Americans were opposed to this passage, but funny how every posted national poll is overwhelmingly in favor of it. How's that work?

I think the true feelings and agenda of the GOP have surfaced in this non-debate but the sad side is the reference to, the advocacy of, or indifference of violent actions against the govt. of our nation and/or any of it's supporters. I understand racism, but eliteism for the shareholders or industry captains that profit trillions while the rest of hard-working (or laid-off) America struggles is treasonous. These people have shown time and again the they cannot police themselves against the abuse and theft of American good will and will justify anything to keep the quarterly profit indexes up - to support such free-wheeling fraud can only be criminal in my book.

Suckers for the "trickle-down" failed theory of Reaganomic boondoggles clearly cannot think beyond setting the AM radio dial to hate speech and blame the victim to cleanse any doubt from their participating souls in the bakrupting of a nation.

There's been specific accusations about coverage and rate structures, tax schedules, and IRS penalties- please post references in the legislation that back-up your claims - or shut-up about it. After Bush/Cheney and yellowcake and WMD's in Iraq and five thousand needless American deaths, three trillion dollars gone forever, and a nation in economic shambles, it's time we demand some proof from the fearmongers who seem to have half the nation wanting to take a gun to work and clear-out some people who believe differently than they do. We fell for the 9/11 fear-generating nuke-strikes in 90 minutes before, it's time we demand NEVER AGAIN and ask you to prove your growing-more-deadly claims.
 
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Vote for who?

All that's come out of the republican camp is to say no to any propsed legislation. They haven't offered squat except obstruction. Secondly, you conveniently forget (or chose to) the Bush one trillion dollar giveaway to private insurers for the Medicare Advantage program which only increased general health care costs by 20%. I don't recall any complaints from the loudest of the squawkers here now claiming "socialist takeover" of America.

Reference to polling by the right wing claims that most Americans were opposed to this passage, but funny how every posted national poll is overwhelmingly in favor of it. How's that work?

I think the true feelings and agenda of the GOP have surfaced in this non-debate but the sad side is the reference to, the advocacy of, or indifference of violent actions against the govt. of our nation and/or any of it's supporters. I understand racism, but eliteism for the shareholders or industry captains that profit trillions while the rest of hard-working (or laid-off) America struggles is treasonous. These people have shown time and again the they cannot police themselves against the abuse and theft of American good will and will justify anything to keep the quarterly profit indexes up - to support such free-wheeling fraud can only be criminal in my book.

Suckers for the "trickle-down" failed theory of Reaganomic boondoggles clearly cannot think beyond setting the AM radio dial to hate speech and blame the victim to cleanse any doubt from their participating souls in the bakrupting of a nation.

There's been specific accusations about coverage and rate structures, tax schedules, and IRS penalties- please post references in the legislation that back-up your claims - or shut-up about it. After Bush/Cheney and yellowcake and WMD's in Iraq and five thousand needless American deaths, three trillion dollars gone forever, and a nation in economic shambles, it's time we demand some proof from the fearmongers who seem to have half the nation wanting to take a gun to work and clear-out some people who believe differently than they do. We fell for the 9/11 fear-generating nuke-strikes in 90 minutes before, it's time we demand NEVER AGAIN and ask you to prove your growing-more-deadly claims.

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you really need to calm down on these long posts old oakie. They are impossible to respond to.

I am not, and was not a Bush supporter! I know memory goes with old age, but I tell you this on what seems like a weekly basis. Understand? me NO bush supporter!!!!!!!


Now why dont you pick one topic and we'll start there, I cant respond to 5-6 different topics....insanity!
 
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This bill should NEVER have been passed in the state it was, or in the rushed fashion in which it was.

Its not going to save us any money, and it wont be good for anyone but welfare recipients. My family does not want more taxes, I assure you of this.

Nationalized healthcare doesnt work well anywhere it is in place. canada, frnace, germany, etc etc. Long lines, prepaying for services, hig taxes, being forced to see this dr., instead of the one you want to see......the list goes on and on.

Now all we can do is make change this fall, VOTE!

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There is something inherently sick in the minds of American Republicans.

You claim to be a 'Christian' party but your views and philosophies are far removed from any of Christ's teachings....he was a man who spent his entire life helping poor and ill people, it's pretty obvious he'd find the idea of paying for healthcare utterly repellant.

Are you gonna argue this point?
 
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In the wake of President Obama's presidential signature on the gargantuan Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act last Thursday, big companies have crunched their numbers and come up with an ugly picture.

In legally mandated filings, AT&T reported that ObamaCare will cost it $1 billion. Deere & Co. reported $150 million in new costs. Caterpillar must cough up $100 million. 3M must pay another $90 million. AK Steel gets to fork over $31 million. Valero Energy will pay $30 million. There'll be more as other companies report anticipated costs to fulfill their requirements to inform shareholders. What it shows is a huge wave of costs rolling over the private sector to pay for this bill.

It's the real cost of ObamaCare, a bill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had touted daily as "paid for" in her pitch for Congressional votes.

Well, yes, as a matter of fact, it's paid for because everything is paid for. The question is by whom.
 
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i did not vote for bush at all, i am not republican!! but i do feel we could have done something other than this, all the corp. companies that will be forking out this big nut, will start laying everyone off and hiring people in other countries more than what they do already. so where did this get us. also as boston bull said i am not christian either, i believe in a superior something but i am not a hipocrit on that subject. yes republicans always play the christian family values but they never help the poor christian families.
 
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In the wake of President Obama's presidential signature on the gargantuan Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act last Thursday, big companies have crunched their numbers and come up with an ugly picture.

In legally mandated filings, AT&T reported that ObamaCare will cost it $1 billion. Deere & Co. reported $150 million in new costs. Caterpillar must cough up $100 million. 3M must pay another $90 million. AK Steel gets to fork over $31 million. Valero Energy will pay $30 million. There'll be more as other companies report anticipated costs to fulfill their requirements to inform shareholders. What it shows is a huge wave of costs rolling over the private sector to pay for this bill.

It's the real cost of ObamaCare, a bill House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had touted daily as "paid for" in her pitch for Congressional votes.

Well, yes, as a matter of fact, it's paid for because everything is paid for. The question is by whom.

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http://www.att.com/gen/investor-relations?pid=17388#cl


Its not like it will set them back at all. Oh some poor old CEO might not get his $40 million dollar bonus anymore, boo frickin hoo. Why is everybody so hell bent on protecting the 1%?
 
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i agree with you i dont like the $40 million dollar bonus either, but it does give these big comapnies more reasons to give away our jobs to cheap labor so they can make those big bonuses, i dont like protecting the big guys but we also dont need more reasons to lose jobs. they should limit some of these bonuses i mean $1 million would be better than 40 hypethetically speaking of course.
 
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Out of all industrialized nations, or "first world nations" whichever you want to call it we are the only one without universal health care. If the logic that our health care costs were going to drive business away was founded, wouldn't a lot more people actually be doing business here? My point is, every other first world country already has the fees and taxes set up.
 

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