No more 'War on terror'

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Can't say that I'm surprised by it.
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Far as I'm concerned 'The War on Terror' was nothing but a subterfuge for seizing war powers. You declare war on an enemy... not a tactic.

The people in arms who've died under Bush's administration did it in a war on Iraq or Afghanistan... not terror.

Ending the lie doesn't disrespect anyone except for the people who created it. The people in the fight have shown that US combat arms is the best in the world and when given the freedom to act, cannot be defeated... and that has NOTHING to do with Bush or his bogus war. Screw the language.

The disrespect to our military comes after they return and nobody gives a damn what they have to deal with as civilians. We expect them to turn it off like a light switch.

Far as that goes... I'd just as soon never here the expression 'Homeland Security' again either. Good riddance to the war that never was.
 
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I have no interest in debating war powers and politics. Nobody is dissing on the military by ditching Bush's shite policies. The US military stands on it's own just fine. Changing political references or language or whatever is unrelated.

I'm not pitching for Obama, far as I'm concerned the jury is still out. But don't twist this to make him look like he disrespects the military just because he wants to ditch Bushes inane terminology.
 
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I think this goes under the file "Give me a Brake"
this is just semantics, and all I have to say is sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me."
You cant say anything about anyone anymore because you might hurt there feelings even the bad kids in schools now sit in the "safe seat" instead of time out because you might hurt little johnies selfesteem.
GIVE ME A FLIPPIN BREAK
 
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What powers were specifically seized and what affect did it have?

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No powers were seized, now go get a Big Mac meal. Everything is normal and fine.




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Wow!! talk about sensative!? That was not a loaded question!!
You made a statement on a thread allI did was ask a question ? for the simple reason of having some dialog and trying to understand with clarity where you are coming from! Why the knee jerk reaction!?
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Wow!! talk about sensative!? That was not a loaded question!!
You made a statement on a thread allI did was ask a question ? for the simple reason of having some dialog and trying to understand with clarity where you are coming from! Why the knee jerk reaction!?
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You're right, and I'm not jerking a knee. But I should be prepared to back up what i say and truthfully I'm not. Still, I think Gitmo and tribunals are a war powers thing. Surveillance and eavesdropping on American citizens... the War on Terror itself. It's all carried out without the usual checks and balances. I figure War Powers is good but used in the name of an endless war on terror it's bad.

But really dude, I don't want to argue that. I just don't like it when a liberal does something like this and no matter how unrelated, all of a sudden it's disrespecting the military. In fact, in this case, nobody's really DONE anything... they're just trying to dispense with inaccurate language.
 
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I think after all the last eight years of war, the expenditures of which will far exceed the TARP and rescue packages combined, the loss of life from all aspects, the families torn apart, the greed and corruption of the "re-building", the ignorance of the needs of returning troops, the attempts to save international face, the creation of more cells of terror from dishonorable renditions, and more...

have made it pretty miserable to hear the same reactionary statements built on fear and misinformation (mostly fabricated as it was in the beginning) that contributed to all the above. People are tired of it, are insure of the ability to fix it, and have elected to office those who claim to try and change it.

Concerted efforts on behalf of us all, from us all is what's needed now, no more divisive simplistic rhetoric please.
 
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I think after all the last eight years of war, the expenditures of which will far exceed the TARP and rescue packages combined, the loss of life from all aspects, the families torn apart, the greed and corruption of the "re-building", the ignorance of the needs of returning troops, the attempts to save international face, the creation of more cells of terror from dishonorable renditions, and more...

have made it pretty miserable to hear the same reactionary statements built on fear and misinformation (mostly fabricated as it was in the beginning) that contributed to all the above. People are tired of it, are insure of the ability to fix it, and have elected to office those who claim to try and change it.

Concerted efforts on behalf of us all, from us all is what's needed now, no more divisive simplistic rhetoric please.

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Are you high? The war thus far costs WAY less than H's "Stimulus" plan.

get a grip oak, answer some questions, and stop being so damn aggressive. learn to debate!
 
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and have elected to office those who claim to try and change it.

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I feel much better with Hilary leading the foreign front! how many bases did her and er husband close when they were in office.....Mr. military?
 
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Barack Obama might use different words, but the CIA will keep up their shady antics around the world, the president doesnt even know half of what the CIA get up to, the CIA themselves dont even know what they are involved in half the time till they realise they've fcuked up an entire soveriegn nation whose people never wanted them there in the first place, Vietnam and Iraq being good examples. The more things change the more they stay the same, Obama is nothing new.
 
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Current CBO estimates on the costs of the war (just Iraq) are upwards of 5 trillion dollars. It includes permanent health care for service-connected disabilities, re-educations, health care facilities upgrades, infrastructure, re-arming, debt service, borrowing every cent to conduct the war, and re-building.

Tarp plus the last House version of the rescue package are maintaining at under 1.5 trillion.

Eat crab Boston.

I'm finding it wonderfully exciting the spooks are having a difficult time bending minds, stacking elections, killing (by proxy) opposition threats, and undermining foreign economies in vast regions of Central and South America, Europe, Asia and the Middle east lately. Failures and mistakes, reditions and torture have stacked the deck against them. Promises broken ("we'll exile you afterwards and set you up with a Toy's Are Us in Cincinatti!") made to corrupt leaders couldn't come thru, they've lost the income of opium deals made, their "civilian" airlines can't find charters to fly, Directorate of Intel dept. heads have vacated offices, and there's new doctrine to follow, minus the influence of Bush's friends in the energy business, pharma, tin and minerals, and civilian military interests due to Washington now being led by someone with the nations'a interest's in mind, for the most part.

Oh, DEA has left Bolivia, forever. Wore-out the welcome I reakon. Bolivia democratically elected a indigenous leader who refused to be bought.

Domino theory realized.
 
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the original point of this thread was simply to point out that Obamas change, includes new sayings as well as viscious spending. same ol washington to me.....just bigger bills!
 
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How much did Blackwater cost us taxpayers? Halliburton serving-up tainted water to our troops? The six-year effort to fix the electricity in Iraq?

How's them expenditures?

And Boston wants to know why 50 million is earmarked for NOAA and NASA's efforts to measure accurately and without undue influence, the data being gathered at the poles and under the Pacific.
 
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There will be bills. No kidding.

Who should help shoulder the costs?

How about the crooks that cooked the books? Did you know Bush's White House pardoned Kenneth Lay even though his criminal butt was dead?

Did you think war was free? Or did you believe Bush maintaining it would only costs 1.8 billion dollars (2003)?

By the tone of your original post, you seem to agree to much, if not all, of the Bush Doctrine including his advertising agency-contracted wordsmithing. War On Terror is like War On Drugs or No Child Left Behind. Greenpeace is a terrorist organization?

We're all in deep crap for sure. It's no party or Carter Presidency, this is real and it's far from over or even grown heavy yet. Not even Obama has answers but there are causes, and that's in need of study so that it never happens again.
 
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when will the verbal diahrea stop, and you start answering serious questions?

your right, none of the house dems know what to do, so they say, we need to do something! which is to spend now, $888Billion.

answer some of the hard questions Oak, refute some of our claims, like we have all of yours. this is not Bush vs. Obama. it is Obama vs. himself, forget Bush for right now. and answer some questions.
 
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