no discussion?

treebear

treebear

Location
Western Norway
Is there absolutely no discussion in the states about the change in climate and the extreme weather we are facing?
In the rest of rhe western world there is a mutual understanding that this is man made and we are seeking ways to reduce the raise in CO2 levels. Your present administration ignores this and USA is responsible for 25% of the CO2 put into the atmosphere.
Maybe your fuelprices is way too low.
Svein
www.hogstogrydding.no
 
Anything we (world-wide humanity) discuss or attempt to do based upon such discussion is highly speculative, to say the least.

Check out http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7964 for another alarm.

I don't see how lining the pockets of the oil companies and/or government by paying artificially higher prices for fuel would do anything to make the world a better place to live.
 
I avoided this at teh first pass, since I just got through taking a beating in another forum over the same thing, but I agree with treebear. We should be paying at least another $1/gallon for fuel.

Glen, how about instead of paying artificially inflated prices to profit oil corps. we just stop paying artificially deflated prices? As it is, gov't subsidies have us spoiled into believing cheap fuel is a right. It has resulted in rampant waste as people drive fat kids two blocks to their friends' houses, buy hummers as status symbols, and insist on 4X4 SUV's even though they wouldn't even know how to get off the road if they ever wanted to (which they won't).

No? How about making a significant difference in what it costs to register a gas guzzler compared to a fuel sipper (like $1000/year to keep tags on a hummer)? The excess $ should be applied to conservation programs and researching alternatives, not building more roads to suburban sprawl.

I know this is not a popular opinion, and it would hurt me and my big truck as it would hurt many of you even more, but we need to face reality before we get blindsided. If we haven't already started down the road to declining world petrol supplies, we are certainly close, even as China and India are being caught up in a car culture not unlike our own. Better to bite the bullet know than be shot by it in a war to secure the last few barrels of crude.

I have little sympathy for complaints about $3/gal gas. I've been paying $3.40/gal for biodiesel for some time now. Yes, the price hurts, but knowing my money goes to being part of the solution (and none goes to exxon/mobil/texaco/chevron) takes some of the sting away. Americans stubbornly cling to their current lifestyle at these prices, but already we hear rumblings about better planning to run errands and fewer unnecessary road trips. Maybe another dollar or so will actually persuade a few more people to make sensible choices when buying cars, to carpool, to take the bus, to vote for light rail, etc.

And, to answer the OP, there is some discussion here about global warming and related issues, but there is always some fool with his head in the sand waiting to say global warming is a myth. Mainstream America is in deep denial. They take their cues from the president, I suppose. Or maybe it's the other way round.

k
 
Real climbers don't need ladders! (or bucket trucks)

-----------------------------------------------

Fuel costs are rising, but indeed for profit of few (friends of the gvt.).
Taxation on gas in this country is relatively low, certainly compared with many other european countries.
So, have no illusion that we will get any better education, etc. (other than more toys of war).
The USA refuses to sign the Kyoto treaty,so this country is not committed to emission reductions at the same pace as other countries do that signed this treaty.

The american car and other heavy industry is lobbying hard to have extensions to reduction of emissions and so far they seem successful.
The public at large does not perceive the oil issue important enough (as yet)resulting in a lack of political will to change the energy and emission control policies
 
go germans go, Volkswagen is introducing a 1400cc engine with 200Hp output. no need voor those cubic big blocks and gallons of fuel.

Maybe you guys need some difference in tags and taxes for company cars and private cars. We do have that here. A private car with 'transport' plates cost 40% more in purchase as for a company by additional taxes. Also the road tax is for that car private driven about 4 times expensive.
 
Hold on Raising gas prices! Our econmy really isn't that great in the first place, we need to go longer distances to get to work, we can afford the land to have farms, and the price of electricity is throught the roof.

Do we indulge yse most people do. The thought of a nice drive through the white mountains for me seems a pleasnt idea. But I know if I do that I will be eating boxed macaroni and cheese for the next 2 weeks.

But people please, think about this the real people who are being hurt are people like me. I have a wife, and a baby. I am thought of in this world as a low-life, because of what I can afford to drive, and where I can afford to live. Another dollar on gas would litteraly crush my family. Hell I dont even know how Im gonna make it through the winter.

Story time!!!!!!!

I was over my bosses house doing some work around there we met him had a cup of coffee, and started discussing the economy and gas prices.
"It costs me $200 to fill the log truck we are all hurting in this day"

As a look at his enormus house that he just had an addition thats bigger than my apartment on. Nice real would paneling all expertly hand crafted built in eentertainment center, when the doors are closed to it it looks like its just part of the walls. Oh ya tell me your hurting.
 
Now Demo, I don't have any clue who your boss is or his history, but just to put it out there; Maybe he deserves that big house and such? Maybe he has been in your shoes before in his life? Maybe that's where you will be soon in yours? Just a thought.

I look at the bright side. For example, if my father wants to spend the winters in Florida, I say go! He has worked through some very tough years to get our company to where it is now. And I also say "go" because that could be me in 20 years (or less /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif)

/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
We don't know pain, just got a taste of blood, and we demand to know who Brad Pit's dorking.

Just listen to a coffee-shop conversation: botox and butt-tucks. Soccor moms and kids on anti-depressants. We're number one. Let's roll. Mission accomplished. Don't film dead bodies and Pat Tillman died bravely under enemy fire.

Superman and Roy Rogers, George Bush is one of us and negroes died because they don't have incentive. They're better now, all have cake and shelter and free blankets. So said Barbara Bush.

I think we created the world's highest ratio of child predators, corporate theft, and pass-the-responsibility mindsets. We live what a blockbuster movie creates as reality. The huffy brute in the Hummer is patriotic but he won't let his kid go to Iraq, where his image of himself is defending God and country in four wheel drive and his tax dollars take too much from his vacation home. He "earned the right?" No, he's a pig if he lies on his tax returns or votes for capital gains. More so if he deducts that gas hog as business and uses it to take Peety to Little League.

I love the purported "defenders of life" who bomb women's clinics and bitch about welfare, fly back to Washington from vacation to demand Terry Shiavo's life be extended but blame negroes and underlings for the failures in Katrina's aftermath. Five days after the storm.

Sorry, but I see clearly the reason we seem to be a global target of people pretty upset about who we are. It's not jealousy, it's our own fat asses and simple minds.

There are exceptions none-the-less. People are overall good, wanting to help sometimes, and still cry when they really see pain, not censored versions of it edited by the White House.

Reality and America don't mix, but they will and it might hurt some of us.
 
Ha! I'll be that author lives in a heavily-populated major city with several good choices of mass-transit from which to choose; maybe doesn't even own a vehicle. Anybody living 6 miles or more from a 10,000 population "city" would have a drastically different viewpoint. I know I do! :)
 
More stricter MPG standards would push people away from gas guzzlers, so would tax incentives for cars that meet a certain standard. The united states is not nearly as urban nor as dense as Europe. Therefore mass transit is not nearly a cure all for the issue we face.

Attacking the consumer is not the best way to make change.

My two cents
 
I wonder if your govt is leading by example?

Over here all the 200+ BCC council buses run on cng (compressed natural gas), there's less emission problems and a lot cheaper ... also vast quantaties of it and is a by product of the oil field.

Councillors drive electric hybrids.

So, lets see what the govts doing over there, they should lead by example shouldn't they?

As the fleet turns over replace with hybrids, and pay attention to their transport and trucks.

The bulk of the savings can be made in the little ole car we take to the shops or work, the commuter. Raising fuel prices with tax hits businesses and transport unfairly.

Raising taxes is a cop out, and a damned ugly way to create incentive. Just like the way they ousted the old ozone unfriendly refridgerant they can with the flick of the pen put incentives in place and targets to be met by manufacturers ... heck, even F1 race cars only get a certain quota of fuel to complete the race.

Governments need to govern, which involves making laws.
 
I say let the market deside when the gas prices are going up and keep the goverment out of it. Thats how a FREE market economy works. When the mojority of the people want an alternate fuel, it will happen.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

New threads New posts

Back
Top Bottom