ninja climbs, coast redwoods, and social media. ecology vs culture

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was just linked this article in sfgate about groups of climbers hiking to hyperion to climb and camp in it and then posting trip details on social media platforms like facebook, youtube and instagram
People are flying across the world to illegally climb California's redwoods
Redwood National and State Parks is cracking down on 'ninja climbs'
On an overcast day in May 2022, a group of men climbed to the top of Hyperion, a 380-foot tree that is currently the tallest in the world.
When their leader, Simeon Balsam, reached the crown, he and another climber drank a cup of tea. “What absolute legends,” Balsam said from behind a camera trained on the beaming group of climbers.
Balsam documented the adventure with his crew in an hourlong film that was posted to YouTube. It’s a braggadocious watch, full of self-satisfied narration, fist-bumping and inspirational house music — and also proof of illegal activity.
According to the film, the 11 men spent months planning the trip within Redwood National and State Parks and accumulating gear before flying from the United Kingdom to California to climb Hyperion and other old-growth redwoods.
However, the group did not obtain required permits. Furthermore, they climbed into an ecologically sensitive habitat during the breeding season of threatened marbled murrelets, which nest in the redwood canopy, according to park officials and court documents obtained by SFGATE. They were also caught in the act of climbing six redwoods in Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park — where they strung up a zip line and a rope swing over a riverbed — a similarly illegal venture.
Balsam and his group aren’t the only ones to have illegally scaled the national park’s redwoods. In fact, they are members of a subculture of tree maintenance workers — also known as arborists — who in recent years have increasingly utilized their equipment and skills for recreational (and oftentimes unauthorized) climbs. It’s tough to tell just how widespread the problem is, as in many cases these “tree poachers” do not get caught. But Redwood National and State Parks officials told SFGATE that in the past five years, more and more arborists have found their way into the delicate canopies of the park’s keystone species.


kinda makes such arborists out to be entitled hooligans. one thing briefly touched on as an argument the climb team leader puts forward is the cultural difference over expectation of use of public lands in the uk vs america, as described in articles such as this:
The Fight for the Right to Trespass A group of English activists want to legally enshrine the “right to roam” — and spread the idea that nature is a common good.
Some of the people I met in England had heard that the United States has a lot of public land, which is true. But access to it depends a lot on where you live; nearly all federal land is in just 11 Western states and Alaska. (And even there, the courts are still working out what “public” really means, mulling, for example, when anglers are allowed to walk on public streambeds that run through private property or whether hunters can cross “private airspace” by using a ladder to get from one checkerboard square of public land to another.) Others had heard that the United States is a warren of private lands, governed by threatening signs and stand-your-ground laws: The week of the swim trespass, the news back home was full of stories of people being shot after accidentally driving up the wrong driveway or knocking on the wrong door. Kate Rew, the founder of England’s Outdoor Swimming Society, remembered with shock when she arrived at the Pacific, eager to swim, but couldn’t find a beach that wasn’t private property. Another activist, Owen Hayman, told some friends he was visiting in Montana that he was headed out for a walk and was surprised when they replied that they would first need to drive him somewhere. A farmer I met in Gloucestershire, who thought the English already had plenty of access to his land, nonetheless seemed to sympathize with my plight as an American: “You can’t go anywhere, can you?”

but beyond that the accessing of sensitive habitat for no justifiable reason other than to do it and show others you have sticks in peoples craw. the person who linked me the first article was upset at the lack of respect for such a rare and delicate environment on display. by contrast the social media environment promotes production of content to reach wider and wider audiences. go viral and you can get a payday out of it. what do yall think about tree-climbing exploits like this when you see them on youtube or insta, and how many more arent being documented at all?
 
was just linked this article in sfgate about groups of climbers hiking to hyperion to climb and camp in it and then posting trip details on social media platforms like facebook, youtube and instagram
People are flying across the world to illegally climb California's redwoods
Redwood National and State Parks is cracking down on 'ninja climbs'
On an overcast day in May 2022, a group of men climbed to the top of Hyperion, a 380-foot tree that is currently the tallest in the world.
When their leader, Simeon Balsam, reached the crown, he and another climber drank a cup of tea. “What absolute legends,” Balsam said from behind a camera trained on the beaming group of climbers.
Balsam documented the adventure with his crew in an hourlong film that was posted to YouTube. It’s a braggadocious watch, full of self-satisfied narration, fist-bumping and inspirational house music — and also proof of illegal activity.
According to the film, the 11 men spent months planning the trip within Redwood National and State Parks and accumulating gear before flying from the United Kingdom to California to climb Hyperion and other old-growth redwoods.
However, the group did not obtain required permits. Furthermore, they climbed into an ecologically sensitive habitat during the breeding season of threatened marbled murrelets, which nest in the redwood canopy, according to park officials and court documents obtained by SFGATE. They were also caught in the act of climbing six redwoods in Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park — where they strung up a zip line and a rope swing over a riverbed — a similarly illegal venture.
Balsam and his group aren’t the only ones to have illegally scaled the national park’s redwoods. In fact, they are members of a subculture of tree maintenance workers — also known as arborists — who in recent years have increasingly utilized their equipment and skills for recreational (and oftentimes unauthorized) climbs. It’s tough to tell just how widespread the problem is, as in many cases these “tree poachers” do not get caught. But Redwood National and State Parks officials told SFGATE that in the past five years, more and more arborists have found their way into the delicate canopies of the park’s keystone species.


kinda makes such arborists out to be entitled hooligans. one thing briefly touched on as an argument the climb team leader puts forward is the cultural difference over expectation of use of public lands in the uk vs america, as described in articles such as this:
The Fight for the Right to Trespass A group of English activists want to legally enshrine the “right to roam” — and spread the idea that nature is a common good.
Some of the people I met in England had heard that the United States has a lot of public land, which is true. But access to it depends a lot on where you live; nearly all federal land is in just 11 Western states and Alaska. (And even there, the courts are still working out what “public” really means, mulling, for example, when anglers are allowed to walk on public streambeds that run through private property or whether hunters can cross “private airspace” by using a ladder to get from one checkerboard square of public land to another.) Others had heard that the United States is a warren of private lands, governed by threatening signs and stand-your-ground laws: The week of the swim trespass, the news back home was full of stories of people being shot after accidentally driving up the wrong driveway or knocking on the wrong door. Kate Rew, the founder of England’s Outdoor Swimming Society, remembered with shock when she arrived at the Pacific, eager to swim, but couldn’t find a beach that wasn’t private property. Another activist, Owen Hayman, told some friends he was visiting in Montana that he was headed out for a walk and was surprised when they replied that they would first need to drive him somewhere. A farmer I met in Gloucestershire, who thought the English already had plenty of access to his land, nonetheless seemed to sympathize with my plight as an American: “You can’t go anywhere, can you?”

but beyond that the accessing of sensitive habitat for no justifiable reason other than to do it and show others you have sticks in peoples craw. the person who linked me the first article was upset at the lack of respect for such a rare and delicate environment on display. by contrast the social media environment promotes production of content to reach wider and wider audiences. go viral and you can get a payday out of it. what do yall think about tree-climbing exploits like this when you see them on youtube or insta, and how many more arent being documented at all?
There’s this human desire to conquer and consume beauty and wonder- I get it, when I see a particularly majestic specimen I imagine my tie in point, my climb route, the swings, the limb walks- I don’t first think about the roughed up bark, broken sprigs, disturbed wildlife… I love this work because of the opportunity it allows to be somewhere I shouldn’t be able to be!

I don’t wish particular ill will on these individuals but I do think they were way out of line and need to have more respect. Particularly being that they weren’t from the area at all. Just like the Brits, isn’t it? Climb the peak and hoist up the Union Jack.
In fact, they are members of a subculture of tree maintenance workers — also known as arborists — who in recent years have increasingly utilized their equipment and skills for recreational (and oftentimes unauthorized) climbs.
Rude! People know what arborists are. Not pirates! Usually..
 
I felt the same way when I watched people climb Big Lonely Doug - this day and age we don't need to climb it to measure it's height for example. There's gotta be electronic means/ drones/ etc. I personally feel that the kind of things in these videos are a disgrace - these trees are living things - for Lord's sake leave them in peace. I don't think trees are the same as rock routes or mountaineering routes which anyway are being controlled more and more (Lord forbid if someone puts in bolts/ hangers or "cleans" a route of loose rock/ moss -sacrilege). In fact any access is being controlled more and more in some areas***. I think these people need to have more respect for living grand old things. Just because we can, does that mean we should? They just don't get it. Just me though.

*** I am reminded of Anne Sauvy's short stories where in the future a climber was fined for using the wrong handhold/ going off route!)
 
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As someone who lives in the redwoods I am constantly amazed at the level of disrespect that some show to our unique eco system. Right out the back of my parcel is a very special redwood watershed and at least once a year I have to run some not so stealthy rec climber clowns out of the woods.
 
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As someone who lives in the redwoods I am constantly amazed at the level of disrespect that some show to our unique eco system. Right out the back of my parcel is a very special redwood watershed and at least once a year I have to run some not so stealthy rec climber clowns out of the woods.
I feel like it’s a generational thing (I feel old just saying that. I’m 39) There’s a new sense of entitlement in this world, and respect isn’t what it used to be….. The whole “look, but don’t touch, take photos, but not artifacts” seems to be unknown by most now.
 
That write-up leaned on Preston a little hard. He didn't reveal locations, Sillett had taglines in trees and people were finding them and setting ropes with the taglines. Hyperion's height was published, people started looking and found it. Unfortunately inevitable.
-AJ
 
I’m aquatinted with many of the crew who climbed big lonely.
I don’t agree with rec climbing just to tick check boxes on the biggest.
We have a problem as a society. All these Pet trees getting all the attention. Take a look at big lonely, including the name. Many of these iconic trees were spared as a freak show for tourists to gawk at while polishing the bark to wood and carving their initials in their boles.
That old black and white of the climber gaffing up the Sitka spruce, that was one of these great tree attractions.. it’s on the ground.
The quinault spruce had a line of tourists like maggots climbing across its roots asking the group behind to take family photos as they scrambled up the flair.
The big cedar nearby is identical to big lonely, a relic in dog hair stand of 18-20” Doug’s so thick it’s impenetrable. The only available space is a narrow dirt track around the flair. All the roots are exposed from the years of soil compaction. One narrow strip of intact bark leading to one lower semi alive limb.
 
That write-up leaned on Preston a little hard. He didn't reveal locations, Sillett had taglines in trees and people were finding them and setting ropes with the taglines. Hyperion's height was published, people started looking and found it. Unfortunately inevitable.
-AJ
Wait, they left lines in Hyperion, and then expected that nobody would take advantage?! That is so much saved effort for an epic climb, it's much less surprising that they went for it.

I have mixed feelings about it. Do I want to do it? Of course! But I would also like to see more being done to preserve these trees than just telling people that they can't climb on them. I'll bet anything that there are loads of other things that humans are doing that will cause more harm to these forests than climbing some of the trees.

Look at Everest. It's a disgusting mess up there now, and more tourists go every year to add to the mess. Look at what we have done to the oceans. I would rather see a ban on recreational motorboats than a ban on tree climbing. I would rather see a ban on recreational quad use in the forest than a tree climbing ban. I would rather they ban RV's and generators in the forest than a ban on climbing the trees. I wouldn't even mind having to pay for a permit, and check in with a qualified USFS climber to verify that you have the gear and knowledge to do it without causing significant harm.

Nearly every human activity causes some harm, some much more than others. Take a look at what you, your friends and family, and their friends and family are doing for fun. Is it all 100% harmless? I am pretty sure than more people cause more harm to the environment in their daily life than all the people who would ever climb Hyperion without a guide combined would do by climbing it. Shit, they could raise money for preservation efforts by selling admission and running a guide service for the rich, a la Everest.

I will admit that I fully intend to climb a 300'+ redwood before the end of the decade, unless someone has a compelling reason not to that I should consider.
 
Wait, they left lines in Hyperion, and then expected that nobody would take advantage?! That is so much saved effort for an epic climb, it's much less surprising that they went for it.

I have mixed feelings about it. Do I want to do it? Of course! But I would also like to see more being done to preserve these trees than just telling people that they can't climb on them. I'll bet anything that there are loads of other things that humans are doing that will cause more harm to these forests than climbing some of the trees.

Look at Everest. It's a disgusting mess up there now, and more tourists go every year to add to the mess. Look at what we have done to the oceans. I would rather see a ban on recreational motorboats than a ban on tree climbing. I would rather see a ban on recreational quad use in the forest than a tree climbing ban. I would rather they ban RV's and generators in the forest than a ban on climbing the trees. I wouldn't even mind having to pay for a permit, and check in with a qualified USFS climber to verify that you have the gear and knowledge to do it without causing significant harm.

Nearly every human activity causes some harm, some much more than others. Take a look at what you, your friends and family, and their friends and family are doing for fun. Is it all 100% harmless? I am pretty sure than more people cause more harm to the environment in their daily life than all the people who would ever climb Hyperion without a guide combined would do by climbing it. Shit, they could raise money for preservation efforts by selling admission and running a guide service for the rich, a la Everest.

I will admit that I fully intend to climb a 300'+ redwood before the end of the decade, unless someone has a compelling reason not to that I should consider.
When it takes a few days to get a line set and have ongoing research it makes sense to leave a line.
That and just the act of setting a line can cause damage.
 
When it takes a few days to get a line set and have ongoing research it makes sense to leave a line.
That and just the act of setting a line can cause damage.
I am not familiar with the reasearch they're working on, but I am curious how that one specimen is so different from any other that they must climb it regularly enough that it needs to have a line left in it? How do the researchers justify their impact on this individual? I don't doubt that I would agree with the reason, but it doesn't seem obvious to me. If such ongoing research is necessary, then it would seem like something they could sell tickets to join trips up the tree to help fund research and preservation work.

Or what about leaving an access line into the lower branches a tree or two away, and build a traverse or two to actually reach Hyperion? I just don't see anyone with the tools and knowledge to get up there not having a clear understanding of how to do it with minimal damage to the tree. Plus, as you point out, getting access can be damaging, but if lines are in place, continued access isn't so invasive as the initial ascent. If there is such reverance for this single individual, why not the rest of the forest, and by extension, the planet? Why not ban the harming of any more of what is left of "nature"? Do we really need any more research to tell us that we are wrecking this shit? No largescale society wants to be the first to give up the advantages given by the continued destruction of the environment. If you alone choose to abandon fossil fuels and anything that might harm another living thing, then you cease to matter in the grand scheme of things. Your solitary hermitage will not save the world, and history has shown us that almost nobody will notice or care. If this is the party that people wanna have, then why shouldn't we enjoy it? What else is there in this life? I don't feel compelled to get the absolute top of the tallest tree for social media cred, i feel compelled to it because I bet it feels awesome up there! I would totally settle for a different tree than Hyperion, but if there are lines set already, and it will cause less harm than if I start fresh in a different giant, maybe that would be the better choice...
 
Wait, they left lines in Hyperion, and then expected that nobody would take advantage?! That is so much saved effort for an epic climb, it's much less surprising that they went for it.

I have mixed feelings about it. Do I want to do it? Of course! But I would also like to see more being done to preserve these trees than just telling people that they can't climb on them. I'll bet anything that there are loads of other things that humans are doing that will cause more harm to these forests than climbing some of the trees.

Look at Everest. It's a disgusting mess up there now, and more tourists go every year to add to the mess. Look at what we have done to the oceans. I would rather see a ban on recreational motorboats than a ban on tree climbing. I would rather see a ban on recreational quad use in the forest than a tree climbing ban. I would rather they ban RV's and generators in the forest than a ban on climbing the trees. I wouldn't even mind having to pay for a permit, and check in with a qualified USFS climber to verify that you have the gear and knowledge to do it without causing significant harm.

Nearly every human activity causes some harm, some much more than others. Take a look at what you, your friends and family, and their friends and family are doing for fun. Is it all 100% harmless? I am pretty sure than more people cause more harm to the environment in their daily life than all the people who would ever climb Hyperion without a guide combined would do by climbing it. Shit, they could raise money for preservation efforts by selling admission and running a guide service for the rich, a la Everest.

I will admit that I fully intend to climb a 300'+ redwood before the end of the decade, unless someone has a compelling reason not to that I should consider.
Because you can have a very similar experience climbing a fast growing 225-240 ft second growth thats under 200 yrs old. No need to defile and disrespect a 300 ft tree that’s a thousand+ years old because it’s on your bucket list.
 
Because you can have a very similar experience climbing a fast growing 225-240 ft second growth thats under 200 yrs old. No need to defile and disrespect a 300 ft tree that’s a thousand+ years old because it’s on your bucket list.
Fair enough! I wholly accept your assessment and will reconsider my plans. You got some good ones you could point me to? I would love to figure out some way to make it worth your while to give me some of your time one of these days, maybe share some wisdom. My wife was born in Freedom, and she remembers the area so fondly.
 
Because you can have a very similar experience climbing a fast growing 225-240 ft second growth thats under 200 yrs old. No need to defile and disrespect a 300 ft tree that’s a thousand+ years old because it’s on your bucket list.
One day before I die hopefully.
 
I am not familiar with the reasearch they're working on, but I am curious how that one specimen is so different from any other that they must climb it regularly enough that it needs to have a line left in it? How do the researchers justify their impact on this individual? I don't doubt that I would agree with the reason, but it doesn't seem obvious to me. If such ongoing research is necessary, then it would seem like something they could sell tickets to join trips up the tree to help fund research and preservation work.

Or what about leaving an access line into the lower branches a tree or two away, and build a traverse or two to actually reach Hyperion? I just don't see anyone with the tools and knowledge to get up there not having a clear understanding of how to do it with minimal damage to the tree. Plus, as you point out, getting access can be damaging, but if lines are in place, continued access isn't so invasive as the initial ascent. If there is such reverance for this single individual, why not the rest of the forest, and by extension, the planet? Why not ban the harming of any more of what is left of "nature"? Do we really need any more research to tell us that we are wrecking this shit? No largescale society wants to be the first to give up the advantages given by the continued destruction of the environment. If you alone choose to abandon fossil fuels and anything that might harm another living thing, then you cease to matter in the grand scheme of things. Your solitary hermitage will not save the world, and history has shown us that almost nobody will notice or care. If this is the party that people wanna have, then why shouldn't we enjoy it? What else is there in this life? I don't feel compelled to get the absolute top of the tallest tree for social media cred, i feel compelled to it because I bet it feels awesome up there! I would totally settle for a different tree than Hyperion, but if there are lines set already, and it will cause less harm than if I start fresh in a different giant, maybe that would be the better choice...
I don’t believe Sillett’s team left taglines in Hyperion. They did leave taglines in trees that had instrumentation in them. I recall a climber saying they’d climbed one of those redwoods and saw research gear up close in the tree.

Understory destruction and soil compression do the greatest damage to landmark old growth trees.

Once you’re over 175’-200’ plus it’s all the same, no need to climb the tallest.

As @rico mentioned there are plenty of super tall 2nd growth coast redwoods not in national or state redwood preserves.

I wish people would do the work and find their own trees to climb, most of the river/creek drainages in Northern California have have excellent second growth redwoods. Get off trail, find your tree, leave no trace, you’ll be the first and last person to ever climb it.
-AJ
 
Having climbed several 14ers, as well as 10k ish stuff around here, I can relate to the notion of diminishing returns for the effort, as the valley floor is always limiting factor. Surrounded by similar height trees, the canopy will always look similar enough. I wanna do a big one with a view of the ocean from some cool distance.
 
I am not familiar with the reasearch they're working on, but I am curious how that one specimen is so different from any other that they must climb it regularly enough that it needs to have a line left in it? How do the researchers justify their impact on this individual? I don't doubt that I would agree with the reason, but it doesn't seem obvious to me. If such ongoing research is necessary, then it would seem like something they could sell tickets to join trips up the tree to help fund research and preservation work.

Or what about leaving an access line into the lower branches a tree or two away, and build a traverse or two to actually reach Hyperion? I just don't see anyone with the tools and knowledge to get up there not having a clear understanding of how to do it with minimal damage to the tree. Plus, as you point out, getting access can be damaging, but if lines are in place, continued access isn't so invasive as the initial ascent. If there is such reverance for this single individual, why not the rest of the forest, and by extension, the planet? Why not ban the harming of any more of what is left of "nature"? Do we really need any more research to tell us that we are wrecking this shit? No largescale society wants to be the first to give up the advantages given by the continued destruction of the environment. If you alone choose to abandon fossil fuels and anything that might harm another living thing, then you cease to matter in the grand scheme of things. Your solitary hermitage will not save the world, and history has shown us that almost nobody will notice or care. If this is the party that people wanna have, then why shouldn't we enjoy it? What else is there in this life? I don't feel compelled to get the absolute top of the tallest tree for social media cred, i feel compelled to it because I bet it feels awesome up there! I would totally settle for a different tree than Hyperion, but if there are lines set already, and it will cause less harm than if I start fresh in a different giant, maybe that would be the better choice...
They measured and mapped the whole tree along with architectural drawings. The end result is awe inspiring
 

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