NEW SADDLE!: Beddes'TreeMotionSaddle'

Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

Mark, have sherrils got world wide exclusivity or just in the states?

Either way I'm sure the honey monster can get us one but it would be cool (and cheaper) if he was supplied direct.
 
Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

Todd,

Presently, there is no ANSI standard that applies to tree worker type saddles, other than meeting the hardware and software standards for climbing protection.

The tree worker type of saddle is a big issue, and will be addressed at the ANSI meeting in October.

Mike
 
Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

Anyone have any photos of this saddle? The drawings outline it well, but I'd like a real life photo, if possible.

Looks like a great saddle. $325? Seems like it'll be a LOT more than that!

love
nick
 
Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

It better not, there's NO reason for it to cost any more than that.
 
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It better not, there's NO reason for it to cost any more than that.

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Sure there is....there is only 1 source. They can charge what they want since there isnt any competition for sales.
 
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I would like to make 3 points:

1: Its not a crime to make money.

2: Its hard to say whats the most a saddle can cost, considering its hard to know the prototype costs, tarriffs and exports yada yada.... Noone forces you to buy it, just like noone forces you to buy a Zubat, or bankers to buy $35k watches.

3: Its not a crime to make money
 
Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

How about getting a fair return on their investment in bringing a new product to market? How many hours do you think were spent making a vision or idea into a production model? Many of the components are off the shelf items arranged in a unique configuration but there are a pair of specialized pieces of hardware that cost plenty to produce.

Have any of us never had an incredulous client ask us why it cost so much to do the work that they asked of us? Much more to treework than a pickup, chainsaw and a dog.
 
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I just spoke to our purchasing manager and he plans to have 25 saddles coming in just before the TCIA show in Baltimore, one has my name on it and another 9 are presold orders (some for workers, some for recreation).

Others will follow from the manufacturer but I understand that dealers are buzzing. we've been promised 300 by the end of April.

The sales price of treeMOTION in Europe is estimated to be 299 Euros ($378 US dollars), add to that 15% customs charges, shipping and brokerage fees of around $50 dollars and it appears that the US price will not exceed $485. at the current exchange rate. We're taking orders at this time and the part code (if you want to submit a deposit) is- 31311

Cheers all!
 
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It better not, there's NO reason for it to cost any more than that.

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Sure there is....there is only 1 source. They can charge what they want since there isnt any competition for sales.

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This comment isn't without 'barbs'

As well harness prices do appear to be somewhat influences by thought time. A basic butt strap harness is dirt cheap, decades old design, very little effort into making it 'good'.

My impression, after having a very friendly and enthusiastic conversation with Mark B, is that there is a tremendous amount of thought and effort put into this product. For our benefit. That is worth something.
 
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I just spoke to our purchasing manager and he plans to have 25 saddles coming in just before the TCIA show in Baltimore, one has my name on it and another 9 are presold orders (some for workers, some for recreation).

Others will follow from the manufacturer but I understand that dealers are buzzing. we've been promised 300 by the end of April.

The sales price of treeMOTION in Europe is estimated to be 299 Euros ($378 US dollars), add to that 15% customs charges, shipping and brokerage fees of around $50 dollars and it appears that the US price will not exceed $485. at the current exchange rate. We're taking orders at this time and the part code (if you want to submit a deposit) is- 31311

Cheers all!

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Toby, thanks for the update. I had put my name in for a quote, but did not know that I could put a deposit. This is really exciting, knowing a six time champion had his hand in this project.
 
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Everything has a price and we the consunmer choose weather to pay it or not. If you beleive your getting the best or the best for your needs then money is not as much of an issue. The branding of this product (by which I refer to it being from treemagineers, which of course includes beddes) makes us all beleive that this MUST be a great product, and therefore price is irrelevant, it will sell. Those who can't afford it won't effect how successfull it will certainly be.

If I designed and produced the same saddle, I doubt I would sell any, cos who would beleive it is any good?

This is in no way a critisism of the product, which I have not even seen, as I can be certain that it will be a good product, because I know as well as the rest of you, the amount of effort, dedication and attention to detail that these guys collectivley put into all of the work they carry out. I for one would be very keen to get my hands on one to try it out and if that means spending then thats ok.

I feel slightly bad that this saddle might eclipse the Treeflex, which I also have not seen but can be sure the same amount effort has gone into its production. I hope to be able to make a genuine considered decision on which is best for me rather than just jumping on the "beddes" bandwagon and seeing it (tmotion) as a must have new item.

The only way this will be possible will be to see the two saddles side by side and sitting in them before purchase. Will this be possible? I doubt it for some time yet.

BTW. I wrote "saddle" cos I'm on a US site. We all know its a harness because you sit in a harness and on a saddle. Saddles go on horses and bicycles..
 
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I had put my name in for a quote, but did not know that I could put a deposit. This is really exciting, knowing a six time champion had his hand in this project.

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I rest my case......
 
Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

Ha!

Thanks for the concern Rupe!

But I honestly have no fears in that department whatsoever. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

You are correct though - noone should base a decision on spin. There is alot to designing and marketing a product. It can be the best design in the world, but if it isn't in the shops to buy, what does it matter (have you been watching 'Dragons Den'?)?

The majority of the market aren't really aware of what goes on on TB or the ITCC. They scan the catalogues, and visit the shows to hear and feel first hand.

Your old mate Rob Gibb tried the TreeFlex and the techniques yesterday - He's placed an order. See what he thinks.

He told me a funny story about you and a ram raid on a sex shop........Ha ha ha! /forum/images/graemlins/pbj.gif /forum/images/graemlins/laughing.gif

Have you still got your scooby?

Two harnesses with similar trends created behind closed doors, should wake up the industry to the future. I know what a good position that is for all of us arborists! /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

Rupe

Interesting points you make there...the first that I note is that you talk of 'branding'. The three products that will reach the market before the end of the year are our first. True, we have been working on them for some time, but we have no established 'brand' that allows us to manipulate prices to our advantage. Nor would we do that, partly because that is just not our way of doing things, and partly we operate in an industry that wouldn't allow it either!

You will have noted that the reason the harness is relatively expensive in the US is because of factors that have nothing to do with production costs (import tariffs and freight). In the UK and the rest of Europe (where all the products are produced) the harness is priced much the same as other tree work sit harnesses, but is certainly not the most expensive.

I would suggest that our margins are lower than others, not higher. For years, harnesses have been put together using standard parts in much the same way. To use just one area of the design as an example, treeMOTION has three different bespoke hardware parts, each one has gone through a design, prototyping and testing process. The 'front D's' are a thing of beauty, but they are also very difficult to make and have pushed DMM to the limits of their hot forging abilities. Harnesses that incorporate the normal range of hardware quite simply do not have these costs. Yet (I repeat) the price is in line with others.

I sincerely hope that not a single harness is sold simply because it is the 'Beddes' harness. treeMOTION was evolved by a team of people because of a perceived need for a harness that was, above all, comfortable. There has been input by so many people, from numerous countries, that it would be unfair to those folk if it was only known as the Beddes harness. It is true however that Beddes was the project leader, and that he has put a huge number of hours into what is now a product. I think the harness will become known for the ease of work postioning that the new configuration allows, as much as for its comfort. But as you say....let's see.

I think you are incorrect when you say that if you designed a product it wouldn't sell. If it's crap then of course it doesn't deserve to sell! But if you identify a need, a niche, go through a thorough design process, choose your manufacturer carefully and do loads of testing, you will have a 'fit for purpose' product. Then you must market it effectively. Anybody with commitment can do that, and I would encourage everyone with an idea to consider moving it forward somehow, but remember to sidestep the corporate thieves along the way..... But Rupe, before you get involved with product development, make sure you've got plenty of time, a bit of spare cash and an understanding partner....otherwise it could all end in a horrible mess!

Chris

P.S. You should be able to put the harnesses side by side at APF (Honey Bros and Treeworker for treeMOTION). Interesting times for the harness world. We were due a step forward though weren't we?!
 
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I had put my name in for a quote, but did not know that I could put a deposit. This is really exciting, knowing a six time champion had his hand in this project.

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I rest my case......

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Not sure what you mean by that, but I was in Minneapolis and saw Beddes in the saddle...I made the decision based on that. Sorry you are not that excited about it, but then you have not seen it. Kudos to all that were part of bringing it to market.
 
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I had put my name in for a quote, but did not know that I could put a deposit. This is really exciting, knowing a six time champion had his hand in this project.

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I rest my case......

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Not sure what you mean by that, but I was in Minneapolis and saw Beddes in the saddle...I made the decision based on that. Sorry you are not that excited about it, but then you have not seen it. Kudos to all that were part of bringing it to market.

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Don't take it the wrong way, I was typing my bit while you put in your post so when I read yours it summed up what I meant. I am very excited about the saddle and look forward to trying it, I just hope I can make an informed decision, rather than seeing beddes climb in one and basing my decision on that. If I saw him climb in a bosuns chair I'd probably want one.
 
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Paolo,

Cool response. I do hope that you have equal market exposure for your harness (not saddle).

Me old mate Rob eh, hope he's alright not spoken to him since guildford!

The porn shop story has travelled the world, theres pics on here somewhere, I can't remember what the the thread was called.
 

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