NEW SADDLE!: Beddes'TreeMotionSaddle'

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NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

I have been hearing about this new saddle for almost a year now and finally it is here.

Called the Tree Motion, it seems like a great saddle.
I will get one as soon as possible.
What makes me more confidant in this saddle over say, the Edelrid, is that Sherrills is the one selling it. I say this because I dont think
Sherrills will sell a saddle without really checking it out for durability and safety.
And, Sherrills stands behind the products they sell.
I have come to realize that having a dealer who is responsive to the customers is just as important as the equipment itself. So I am a little leery of buying new tricky stuff (gear) overseas and then if there is a problem, I am out of luck.
But now we have this new saddle AND it has the Beddes stamp of approval! The best of both worlds.

I dont know anything else about the saddle so talk to Sherrill's if you have any questions about it.
Frans /forum/images/graemlins/zha.gif
 

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Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

I have seen the saddle and sat in it and lets just say it is good. It's got more attachment points than you'll know what to do with. Mark Bridge and Chisolm had it at the stihl booth and it was at the Sherril booth at the ITCC. The balancing of the side D rings are very nice since they sit more in front for your lanyard so they aren't squeezing into ur sides. It's got multiple layers on the back bad to help distribute the weight. It's got a rope bridge with sliding rings. The D rings are also smaller than the traditional style. Other than that I can't think of anything else unless Mark has something to add.
 
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Hey frans,

your post makes me ill.

it sounds like what your saying is unless sherrill sells it, its junk.

I dont know a dealer out there that wont stand behind the products they sell. Sure there may not be tree climbers in every store that know how the products 'truly' work, but that is also what the manufacturers do...test the products before the market them. And how do you know the dude at sherrill that answers your phone call knows how to climb a tree? If he says it is a really comfortable saddle and it is the one to have, how does he really know? Did he climb any trees with it? Did he climb w/ any others to do a comparitive test? Doubt it. Hes taking someone elses word.

Now, Im NOT saying they dont know what theyre talking about. sherrill IS very intune w/ todays arboriculture field and knows what the climbers like. They have been very influential in new gear and techniques. Just please dont put them on this pedistal.

I feel sorry for Beddes that he may not make the potential money he could by dealing exclusively w/ sherril.
 
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Hey frans,
your post makes me ill.


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Sorry, would you like a pill? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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it sounds like what your saying is unless sherrill sells it, its junk.


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No, I am saying that. What am saying is I have been stung before buying stuff overseas that I had major problems with.
When I tried to talk to the dealer and get a replacement- no luck. This has happened to me several times.

I do business with several dealers here in the states and am confidant that I have recourse in the event of problems. Also, shipping charges are much better.

I also dont do business with offshore insurance companies for my liability insurance, for example. But that is a personal decision for me.

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I dont know a dealer out there that wont stand behind the products they sell. Sure there may not be tree climbers in every store that know how the products 'truly' work, but that is also what the manufacturers do...test the products before the market them. And how do you know the dude at sherrill that answers your phone call knows how to climb a tree? If he says it is a really comfortable saddle and it is the one to have, how does he really know? Did he climb any trees with it? Did he climb w/ any others to do a comparitive test? Doubt it. Hes taking someone elses word.


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--I DONT TAKE ANYONES OPINION ON WHAT THE BEST SADDLE FOR ME IS, I MAKE THAT DECISION MYSELF- and so should everyone else.

-Sherrills sold me a pair of Titanium spurs. About a year later I got a letter from then with replacement bolts for them. An upgrade. Thats service.
-I bought a pair of Geckos from Sherrill- they replaced them because they broke on someone. That someone had modified them, so the replacement was not needed. But because of the American fear of lawsuits maybe? My spurs got replaced.
-I bought some stainless steel captive rod speed line biners. the steel rod was not welded correctly on some of them.- Sherrills replaced them.
-I bought a pair of Kong double handled ascenders. The plastic handle was cracked- Sherrills replaced them, no charge.
I bitched to them about shipping charges on an order once and they made it right.
I could go on and on.
Everytime I have called Sherrills with a problem they have jumped on it and taken care of it.
That means something to me.
I did NOT say Sherrills has the lowest prices, I did NOT say Sherrills IS the best, only that I was happy they back up their products.

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Now, Im NOT saying they dont know what theyre talking about. sherrill IS very intune w/ todays arboriculture field and knows what the climbers like. They have been very influential in new gear and techniques.

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Thanks for having the grace to give credit where credit is due.

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I feel sorry for Beddes that he may not make the potential money he could by dealing exclusively w/ sherril.

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Gosh, Beddes made a business decision and you are sorry for him? No one twisted his arm or put a gun to his head and made him deal with Sherrills. Unless there is something I dont know (is there a dark side to Sherrills I should know about? /forum/images/graemlins/aaa.gif ).
Save your sorry for real things, I dont know, maybe do volunteer work in your community to help the less fortunate? I could hook you up with a soup kitchen in my town-we need more volunteers, seriously. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Okitreedude, maybe you dont know me, but I am the first person to step up and let dealers (or people) know when I am unhappy with them. Read my prior posts, I have let it be known when I am not happy with the service i have gotten or the products I have bought.
Sherrills has not been immune in the past.
I posted the stuff about Sherrills not because of blind loyalty but because I think it is important to give credit where credit is due.
Especially on these public web sites. Folks work hard to make a name for themselves and it is o.k. to let them know when one is happy with them.

If I, for example, did business with you and got a good deal, I would let folks know that.
The reverse is true, believe me. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Kinda got off track with my reply. I am looking forward to using this new saddle and seeing if it is a great saddle for me.

Anyone using this saddle I would like to hear about it, thanks.
 
Re: NEW SADDLE!: Beddes\'TreeMotionSaddle\'

On Friday evening Chris Cowell gave me a 45 minute tour of the saddle. We got into talking about the materials chosen and the configurations. There are many clever and innovative ideas incorporated in the saddle.

On Saturday I had a chance to sit in the saddle and move around. Nothing up in a tree but I did make enough adjustments to see that it is a very comfortable saddle.

It will be interesting to see how the market place accepts the increasing cost of high performance saddles. The last couple of generations of saddles have gotten away from what is basically a comfortable bowline on a bight configuration. I hope that saddle design keeps improving. That will keep climbers more comfortable and safer. Saddles that support correctly will give climbers longer careers.
 
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All right, I can't resist commenting on this... probably will seem a little biased talking about our own product, but bear with me regardless.

The development within Treemagineers of the treeMOTION harness - along side the Hich Climber work positioning system - has been a very long one. Beddes came up with a lot of very clever concepts and a ton of prototypes, Chris contributed really neat engineering solutions and ideas, and so we all chipped in ending up with, I like to believe (and also based on the feedback we've had so far from the ITCC/ ISA trade show) a well thought out harness.

Part of the idea behind Treemagineers is that by combining different areas, such as working in the field, doing workshops, demos and presentations within the industry in different countries, being involved in reasearch, as well as being three people with different skills we are able to identify issues in tree care and discuss solutions. So we like to believe our concepts are solution-orientated adressinf real issues as opposed to having to create an need for nice-to-have products.

An example? Well... François Dussenne and Fred Matthias who came up with the ring cambium saver as we use it today. To my mind it's still a brilliant concept: Simple, intuitive in use and functional. An elegant solution.

Whether our ideas live up to this target I'm not able to judge, you'll have to decide for yourself.

We just finished a contract for 70 beeches, with an average height of about 30 meters, sizeable trees... lots of climbing involved. One interesting thing I found was that working on the periphery of the crown you move into a position leanig into the line stretching out to reach bits a long way out. Normally this is a situation where you'll have considerable pressure on you hips/ pelvis and ribs because of the harness riding up. Well, the treeMOTION just sits there rock-solid and doesn't budge. Also the weight distribution is such that almost no pressure is applied to the hips. It's just really easy to move around in and I found myself doing a bit more a bit easier having more fun doing so.

The pivot point - adustable with bridge length and side strap length - makes you feel positively boyant. Really easy to change orientation... not having to fight the harness, it goes along with the movement.

Also the front attachment points that the rope bridge connects to made in Wales by those clever people at DMM give you a brilliant point to connect your lanyard to. Kind of like running it off the side D's just much better as you can suspend yourself from it - unlike the side D rings.

I could go and on. I'm really excited about both the treeMOTION and the Hitch Climber and I'm looking forward to the TCI expo in Nov when they're going to be on sale to get more feedback from people actually using the gear.

As to Sherrill I'd say that's an issue soley between Toby and Treemagineers. But I think it's fair to say it's one thing to be big, but Sherrill is also extremly dynamic and really in touch with what's going on out there and the newest developments.
 
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Wow, Frans Smith gave us a positive critique, we have DEFINITELY arrived. For years I thought we could do no right by you Frans and now I read this. Thanks for being frank and… not too tough on a competitor chap.

Treemagineers are the kind of people that I'm proud to associate with. Like the people I work with daily they are creative, intelligent, passionate about trees and determined to make things happen. Treemagineers first two products are prime examples of this get it done right attitude. I happen to know first hand (well, second hand really) how hard Beddes worked to bring this creation to life (treeMOTION).

And David, I agree with your remark about the pedestal, that’s a death sentence for sure. I reread Frans text for that attitude (and because it just felt good the first time) and I don’t see it. On the other hand you should be more careful about your assumptions; there always lurks the slightest possibility that you could be wrong. For example, the attached photo shows our “dudes” from customer service tree climbing in Tanglewood Park recently with a little help from AMT instructor and friend Michael Tain. No, we don’t know it all, but you can usually bet that we’re trying to find out. (Credit for this climb goes solely to that department. Passionate I tell you.)

And Mark, who better to address sales literature about this harness? Positively buoyant? That’s nice.

Best to all.

Tobe
 
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Just my 2 bits, had a great chance to see the the TreeMotion in action at this year's ITCC, let me just say that as a climber knocking the door of 50, I can't wait for the chance to buy one. I don't climb very much for work, but do still climb every Saturday for pleasure. I have a hard time on Sundays getting rid of the saddle soreness from my traditional harness. As with everything elese, as more are produced and sold the price should come down to make them more economical for the backbone of our industry.

Tobe, please get these in the cataloge so I can get my hands on one, as I wont get a chance to be in the Land of Pleasent Living this November.
 
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I got to try on this saddle in Minneapolis. I have been looking for my ideal saddle, one that would combine the mobility of the Butterfly with the comfort of a New Tribe, and I feel that saddle has surpassed both on all fronts. It will be my next saddle, without a doubt.

Nice work Treemagineers!
 
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This sounds like a great saddle. I am looking forward to seeing it. Any word on the price tag? My guess is over $325. I'll probably wait to see what is said about here after it has been in use for a while.
 
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