New grinder

deevo

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ok so time to upgrade to a bigger stump grinder, I've had a sc252 for the last 4 years, made me lots of $ but small and sometimes slow on the bigger stumps. I want to go slightly bigger 35-44 hp. I'm looking at the Vermeer 372' bandit 2550, or the Carleton 4012. Pros to the Vermeer and Carleton are parts and service, cons to the bandit is the opposite around here! I sold my sc252 so want something in the next 2 months. Can't do stumps here now due to the snow and frozen everything !!! Anyone have anything good or bad to say about any of the 3 mentioned!?
 
We got a bandit 2550 with a 44 horse Kubota engine- great machine- the crew was all smiles at the increased production. We upgraded from a 15 year old rayco super Jr, still keeping that machine for smaller stumps. I have to keep an eye on the downward facing teeth as they get dull quicker and my guys will not always excavate the stumps or watch for rocks as well as they should. I can only give you my point of view as i am a BANDIT guy all they way- chippers and this stumper. Vermeer has a bad habit of putting on odds parts and pieces to their machines that make it hard to service or repair on your own (they will buy 10,000 special sized bearings for a style of chipper) so you have to go thru them and can't get a part at carquest. That is why i love bandit- I can fix most problems myself. I got the 2 wheel drive 2550 with the spare tires, we pop the extra tires off and keep them in the truck in case we have traction problems on hills (it fits thru a 36 inch gate pretty well) - easy to put on and off. If you work in snow country you may want the 4 wheel drive. Definitely demo the machines before hand, use them with semi dull teeth to see how they will produce under less than optimum conditions. I bought mine for about $33K from a local dealer it had about 14 hours on it. As with anything we buy bigger with more power is usually worth it later. I don't know anything about the Carlton's sorry. Hope this helps. Dennis www.arbortectree.com
 
Silly question, but aren't you grinding practically blind with these new units or are they all remote control?
I bought a new 4012 with the 44 hp this past summer. It's my first remote control unit and I'm very happy with it so far.
 
ok so time to upgrade to a bigger stump grinder, I've had a sc252 for the last 4 years, made me lots of $ but small and sometimes slow on the bigger stumps. I want to go slightly bigger 35-44 hp. I'm looking at the Vermeer 372' bandit 2550, or the Carleton 4012. Pros to the Vermeer and Carleton are parts and service, cons to the bandit is the opposite around here! I sold my sc252 so want something in the next 2 months. Can't do stumps here now due to the snow and frozen everything !!! Anyone have anything good or bad to say about any of the 3 mentioned!?
Where you located? We have always ran rayco grinders and I have always said they were tops but I just tried and still have a bandit 2650 new model it also ran well if you want a demo from Carleton call Kelly from fyfe he's a great guy too,if you what anymore info. Pm me i can give you all 3 #s if you don't have
 
We got a bandit 2550 with a 44 horse Kubota engine- great machine- the crew was all smiles at the increased production. We upgraded from a 15 year old rayco super Jr, still keeping that machine for smaller stumps. I have to keep an eye on the downward facing teeth as they get dull quicker and my guys will not always excavate the stumps or watch for rocks as well as they should. I can only give you my point of view as i am a BANDIT guy all they way- chippers and this stumper. Vermeer has a bad habit of putting on odds parts and pieces to their machines that make it hard to service or repair on your own (they will buy 10,000 special sized bearings for a style of chipper) so you have to go thru them and can't get a part at carquest. That is why i love bandit- I can fix most problems myself. I got the 2 wheel drive 2550 with the spare tires, we pop the extra tires off and keep them in the truck in case we have traction problems on hills (it fits thru a 36 inch gate pretty well) - easy to put on and off. If you work in snow country you may want the 4 wheel drive. Definitely demo the machines before hand, use them with semi dull teeth to see how they will produce under less than optimum conditions. I bought mine for about $33K from a local dealer it had about 14 hours on it. As with anything we buy bigger with more power is usually worth it later. I don't know anything about the Carlton's sorry. Hope this helps. Dennis www.arbortectree.com
Thanks Dennis, I like that machine and called the bandit dealer closest to me haven't heard back from him yet.
 
$23k STX 38, can't say enough good about it.

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I haven't used one of them yet and not even sure where the nearest Toro dealer is, looks nice, what size engines on that?my only issue with tracks like my mini skid is not lawn friendly, I'm thinking of selling my 650tx and getting an Avante, I saw one at a tradeshow yesterday and looked like a nice unit on wheels.
 
Where you located? We have always ran rayco grinders and I have always said they were tops but I just tried and still have a bandit 2650 new model it also ran well if you want a demo from Carleton call Kelly from fyfe he's a great guy too,if you what anymore info. Pm me i can give you all 3 #s if you don't have
Just north of Barrie, funny you mention Kelly I talked to him yesterday at the landscapes tradeshow and he lives only 15 mins from me! Nice guy, he's getting me some numbers. That 2650 looks nice but a little too big for what I need right now.
 
Silly question, but aren't you grinding practically blind with these new units or are they all remote control?
I bought a new 4012 with the 44 hp this past summer. It's my first remote control unit and I'm very happy with it so far.
Controls are at the back on most like my old sc252, remote sounds like a good option also. Never ran one with a remote
 
I haven't used one of them yet and not even sure where the nearest Toro dealer is, looks nice, what size engines on that?my only issue with tracks like my mini skid is not lawn friendly, I'm thinking of selling my 650tx and getting an Avante, I saw one at a tradeshow yesterday and looked like a nice unit on wheels.

This is much lighter than a mini loader Deevo and like your mini 650TX, with the Avante you will miss the 0 turn radius I bet. This is easy on the lawn, quick as a waterbug and with a 38 hp gas, very capable. Just easy to have along with you. I like it so much because it sits on a single axle trailer with my Dingo and is on every job should it be needed. You should try one sometime if you get a change. Bobcat sells em here.
 
I haven't used one of them yet and not even sure where the nearest Toro dealer is, looks nice, what size engines on that?my only issue with tracks like my mini skid is not lawn friendly, I'm thinking of selling my 650tx and getting an Avante, I saw one at a tradeshow yesterday and looked like a nice unit on wheels.


I've always been a Gehl fan, but the Avants are growing on me something fierce in the smaller sizes. I've never missed being able to counter-rotate the tires/tracks like on a mini. The 420 can outfit the Vermeer 600TX, I haven't compared it against a 650TX.


Here are two videos I've made of the 420:
 
I've run quite a few grinders and my employer's Carlton SP4012s are the biggest pieces of junk I've ever run! He's had 2 of them and I've never known a grinder could go through so many belts, pulleys, polychains and sheaves in my life. Every hundred hours or so we're replacing 1 or the other. I don't ever take the grinder out without bringing the entire socket set along, as it seems we rarely make it thru a week without having to wrench on something. The polychain enclosure driving the cutting wheel fills up with debris in the blink of an eye and must be unbolted and cleaned out frequently, otherwise you rapidly eat up the expensive polychain and sheaves. The safety latch on the slide system which tensions the cutter belts doesn't have enough adjustment built into it to accommodate both new or worn belts, so we've had to either cut it down shorter when a new belt is put on, or weld it up longer as the belts wear and stretch. Several times. The fuel tank only holds enough for several hours of grinding, nowhere near enough for a day's worth of work. The turning radius on it is horrible, the visibility of the cutter head is non-existent, the guard over the cutter wheel extends too far down. It will start hitting the top of the stump as soon as you grind several passes thus limiting your grind depth, but if you flip it up you'll spew chips everywhere. As you grind deeper into the ground, the left/right swing cylinders come down and hit the top of the frame with every swing, thus wearing away at both frame and cylinder and greatly limiting your swing radius as you get deeper. And many of the hydraulic hoses were seemingly routed with no thought or foresight, dragging back and forth across the frame and drive wheel fenders with every swing, wearing holes in the hoses. The chip containment curtains under the swing frame leave a lot to be desired and you'll regularly get pelted in the face while grinding. Did I mention I hate it???

Like I said, I've run a number of Rayco and Vermeer machines and have never had half this many problems or 1/10 this level of frustration and hatred towards a machine. I did a bunch of looking/talking at TCIA and really liked the looks of both the Bandit 2550 and the Rayco RG45 Super Jr., for that size machine and am trying to convince the boss to schedule some demos of those 2. I'm pretty confident they'll grind circles around the Carlton.
 
I've always been a Gehl fan, but the Avants are growing on me something fierce in the smaller sizes. I've never missed being able to counter-rotate the tires/tracks like on a mini. The 420 can outfit the Vermeer 600TX, I haven't compared it against a 650TX.


Here are two videos I've made of the 420:
Yeah I really liked it but obviously wasn't able t
I've always been a Gehl fan, but the Avants are growing on me something fierce in the smaller sizes. I've never missed being able to counter-rotate the tires/tracks like on a mini. The 420 can outfit the Vermeer 600TX, I haven't compared it against a 650TX.


Here are two videos I've made of the 420:
i really like those I got an email this morning from these guys and is anyone out there running these?
http://stumper3500.com/products/stumper-220
I have the Vermeer 650tx which will flow it. I heard on your video the 420 doesn't have enough flow to run one, will the next size up machine run this? It has peaked my interest after watching the video and its under $5000.00 U.S.
 
I've run quite a few grinders and my employer's Carlton SP4012s are the biggest pieces of junk I've ever run! He's had 2 of them and I've never known a grinder could go through so many belts, pulleys, polychains and sheaves in my life. Every hundred hours or so we're replacing 1 or the other. I don't ever take the grinder out without bringing the entire socket set along, as it seems we rarely make it thru a week without having to wrench on something. The polychain enclosure driving the cutting wheel fills up with debris in the blink of an eye and must be unbolted and cleaned out frequently, otherwise you rapidly eat up the expensive polychain and sheaves. The safety latch on the slide system which tensions the cutter belts doesn't have enough adjustment built into it to accommodate both new or worn belts, so we've had to either cut it down shorter when a new belt is put on, or weld it up longer as the belts wear and stretch. Several times. The fuel tank only holds enough for several hours of grinding, nowhere near enough for a day's worth of work. The turning radius on it is horrible, the visibility of the cutter head is non-existent, the guard over the cutter wheel extends too far down. It will start hitting the top of the stump as soon as you grind several passes thus limiting your grind depth, but if you flip it up you'll spew chips everywhere. As you grind deeper into the ground, the left/right swing cylinders come down and hit the top of the frame with every swing, thus wearing away at both frame and cylinder and greatly limiting your swing radius as you get deeper. And many of the hydraulic hoses were seemingly routed with no thought or foresight, dragging back and forth across the frame and drive wheel fenders with every swing, wearing holes in the hoses. The chip containment curtains under the swing frame leave a lot to be desired and you'll regularly get pelted in the face while grinding. Did I mention I hate it???

Like I said, I've run a number of Rayco and Vermeer machines and have never had half this many problems or 1/10 this level of frustration and hatred towards a machine. I did a bunch of looking/talking at TCIA and really liked the looks of both the Bandit 2550 and the Rayco RG45 Super Jr., for that size machine and am trying to convince the boss to schedule some demos of those 2. I'm pretty confident they'll grind circles around the Carlton.
Thanks for that info Jeff I think you've scared me away from that machine !!!
Devon
 
Very happy with the 2550.

We put about 100hrs on an stx 26 last year and about 30 on an stx 38. Not impressed with operator positioning on the 38. Really impressed with the stx 26 which brings great value for under $16k. The 38 was tempting at $24k.

I'm thinking the 2550 & stx26 will nicely augment each other.
 
no belts on the Dingo...all hyd...and it works...easy restarts too after getting tooth stuck

and NO stump machine is gonna beat it in a race around the house
 
Very happy with the 2550.

We put about 100hrs on an stx 26 last year and about 30 on an stx 38. Not impressed with operator positioning on the 38. Really impressed with the stx 26 which brings great value for under $16k. The 38 was tempting at $24k.

I'm thinking the 2550 & stx26 will nicely augment each other.

I had a 26 prior to the 38 and it was great until you got into 30" on up. Sometimes you have to do a giant one with gate access...the 38 is up to it, 26...get a motel room nearby. Both of these can be easily boomed into a yard with your crano.

First day we had the 26 back in 2011
 
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Yeah I really liked it but obviously wasn't able t

i really like those I got an email this morning from these guys and is anyone out there running these?
http://stumper3500.com/products/stumper-220
I have the Vermeer 650tx which will flow it. I heard on your video the 420 doesn't have enough flow to run one, will the next size up machine run this? It has peaked my interest after watching the video and its under $5000.00 U.S.



Up until a couple days ago, I was a dealer for Stumper Industries. They called and said they were dropping all their online dealers to give "more personal service"...

I told a customer yesterday as he was wanting to buying one. He called them and they recommended the Model 240 for a Boxer 532DX (15GPM). I've sold several 220 low flows running on Boxer 532DXs, but hey, they quoted him $6095 and "free" shipping. They told me I couldn't advertise free shipping, but whatever.


Here is the thread one of my customer's started.

The 528 Avant puts out 9.8gpm, the 630 puts out 11.6gpm and the 635/640 puts out 17.4gpm. The 220 Low Flow's rating is from 10-15gpm.


I'm thinking of giving Stumper some competition... we'll see.


As another option, I'm also a Terex dealer... they have a 38hp self propelled model that I hope to get down here soon to video. It can be had for under $18k.
 

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