RBJtree
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A perfect o and an xsre for comparison.
New DMM 'Director' Carabiners
- Thread starter Greg_L
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A perfect o and an xsre for comparison.
rope-a-dope
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If only it was made by rockexotica!
RBJtree
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I don't get it.If only it was made by rockexotica!
rope-a-dope
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Me neither, its beer week in avl!
Rock gates outlast all others, especially dmm. Sticky!
Rock gates outlast all others, especially dmm. Sticky!
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Raw potential strength would be determined by weakest position/link in chain.
>>Gate side/half of krab
>>gate pin(s) at least 1 for axle>>thinnest piece>>pulled sideways!
so i always think of carabiner as a well moused hook , the mousing as guard and to help keep hook from stretching open, not to really carry load (in this target imagery)
conversely rate quick link , clevis as dual leg strength.
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Then all the geometry, to carry on the solid leg/half as much as possible
>>either link or modified D (to more favor solid leg)
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Side forces tho, the longer, wider, thicker are just more susceptible and give higher multiplier against device. Then, all susceptible to load connections not pulling at best angle either on carabiner drawn at further leveraged angle(multipliers). Divide load and minimize multipliers is best.
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Production dragging etc. more favor rougher usage, especially after half hitch/marl; than in overhead or life support would go with soft link Bowline etc.
>>Gate side/half of krab
>>gate pin(s) at least 1 for axle>>thinnest piece>>pulled sideways!
so i always think of carabiner as a well moused hook , the mousing as guard and to help keep hook from stretching open, not to really carry load (in this target imagery)
conversely rate quick link , clevis as dual leg strength.
.
Then all the geometry, to carry on the solid leg/half as much as possible
>>either link or modified D (to more favor solid leg)
.
Side forces tho, the longer, wider, thicker are just more susceptible and give higher multiplier against device. Then, all susceptible to load connections not pulling at best angle either on carabiner drawn at further leveraged angle(multipliers). Divide load and minimize multipliers is best.
.
Production dragging etc. more favor rougher usage, especially after half hitch/marl; than in overhead or life support would go with soft link Bowline etc.
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Joeybagodonuts
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Sorry to dig this one back up but, is there any puported timeframe on these bad little connectors..
They truly look soooo compact & versitile.. No need to have them permanently spliced on your lanyard... They look as if they remove the need for cobbling together specific swivels & biners to find the shortest removable connection.. example - PerfectO + Focus.. I wonder if the Swivel Boss version will be shorter..?
Additionally, the gate clearance looks pretty decent too. Then there's the shape, when comparing to a D shaped RE Swivabiner, i like the hms/oval/round shape better.. It looks like it could work good for a short bridge connection on a Hitch Climber..
Yeah. I really would like to see these soon..
They truly look soooo compact & versitile.. No need to have them permanently spliced on your lanyard... They look as if they remove the need for cobbling together specific swivels & biners to find the shortest removable connection.. example - PerfectO + Focus.. I wonder if the Swivel Boss version will be shorter..?
Additionally, the gate clearance looks pretty decent too. Then there's the shape, when comparing to a D shaped RE Swivabiner, i like the hms/oval/round shape better.. It looks like it could work good for a short bridge connection on a Hitch Climber..
Yeah. I really would like to see these soon..
Burrapeg
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3-3/4 inch long. I bought some of them to reduce overall gear weight for backpacking to a climb. They have a nice feel to them. I always wondered why carabiners were usually so big.
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i like(d) a steel 5k+ krab in DBY on rig line for connect to belt, throwing weight, HH preceding krab as running Bowline, real heavy, HH preceding actual DBY. Something to be said for steel krab at rite time.
samsquatch
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Do we know the overall dimensions of these new biners? I'd be interested in the swivel eye.
Joeybagodonuts
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If you take a peek at the pdf you can see it connected up with a Perfecto.. nothing in that literature about size though.. After seeing pic for myself though, you'd have to think these are pretty damn compact.. especially if you lose the swivel, like the yoke version. Shit, even with the swivel it looks about as small as you could go & still be useful.. I'm gonna go out on a limb & say it definitely smaller than the RE swivabiner.
I'm still waiting for someone to chime in with a an estimated ETA..
Joeybagodonuts
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Yes.. Yes? You just quoting me to bump or did you have input on the ETA?? I usually don't buy the hype on new shit.. but this one has got me with ants in my pants..
I often wondered why someone did not make a smaller,more compact carabiner.Then I bought an ISC Mighty Mouse.It’s a great biner rated for 27 kn and very compact,however I quickly realized the downsides of a smaller biner.I bought it to shorten the length of my rope wrench setup but once you’re tether and hitchcord and pully are on it it is super hard to clip on to you bridge because of compact design. I use it for redirects once in a while but problem is there isn’t enough room to tie munter hitch or even take a double wrap with your climbing line. I love compact design but it makes its uses very limited.
Sorry I usually just read and don’t comment.This is why,I’m an idiot when it comes to technology.My comment was just about compact carabiners in general.I just posted it wrong,just trying to figure this out.Yes.. Yes? You just quoting me to bump or did you have input on the ETA?? I usually don't buy the hype on new shit.. but this one has got me with ants in my pants..
Sorry for false alarm!
Joeybagodonuts
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It's all good my friend..
I've got the same sentiments on the small hms biners having to be used in that way.. there's work arounds, but it's 6 in 1, Half Dozen in the other.. love/hate relationship.
In the case of these directors, i don't think their use will be limited.. i can think of a few different scenarios where i could use one right now to improve upon systems.
I've got the same sentiments on the small hms biners having to be used in that way.. there's work arounds, but it's 6 in 1, Half Dozen in the other.. love/hate relationship.
In the case of these directors, i don't think their use will be limited.. i can think of a few different scenarios where i could use one right now to improve upon systems.
I've often longed for an anchor shaped carabiner, with locking gates n rollers on each side, specifically for old school DDRT redirects.
You can bet there are more DDRT climbers than SRT climbers today, hence a larger market.
Make it and we'll buy it!
Jomoco
You can bet there are more DDRT climbers than SRT climbers today, hence a larger market.
Make it and we'll buy it!
Jomoco
If I still climed DDRT I would buy it!
Joeybagodonuts
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@Brocky
Speaking of swivels, you know how DMM's new Transformer bridge spreader has the locking/nonlocking swivel? Well, do you know of anyone manufacturing a regular type swivel with that feature?
Also, just for reference, the Rock Exotica Swiva Eye is 5.4" (138mm)
Speaking of swivels, you know how DMM's new Transformer bridge spreader has the locking/nonlocking swivel? Well, do you know of anyone manufacturing a regular type swivel with that feature?
Also, just for reference, the Rock Exotica Swiva Eye is 5.4" (138mm)
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