near vert speedline with concrete floating anchor

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I've got lots more decent video of this, but only had time to put up one limb for example so far.

Side limbs on this beech were over a big yew bush and other side was near/over house.

instead of roping them down, we just put them on a near vertical speedline, the speedline ran through a 800 lb concrete anchor that "floated" on the line, pulled with TRUCK. :-O

most limbs were mid tied to give leverage on the limb so we could pull around nicely as we tightened. this limb wasn't too much over bush, so just butt tied it and knew the near vert speedline would pull it away just enough.

near vertical speedlines don't hardly pull on the tree. the more vertical, the less pull on tree.

this one is set just out enough to put a slight pull on tree when large weight.

white XRR slings used of course, for the speedline runners. I used to use steel biners, but I've bent three of them in the past doing stuff like this and they get hot and are hard on rope. The groundpeople said the X-Rigging Rings were not even warm on any of these runs.

beech is heavy.

concrete anchor is nice. i'll show steps on how to make easy when I'm back in the country if you want. made for skid loader forks or crane to pick up. has two attachment points for speedline, one vertical, one angled.

Later,
 
Pray tell, what's being taught here?

How much faster and convenient these unclippable rings are than steel biners and nylon loops are for both climbers and groundies for speedlining?

Is this a remedial class?

jomoco
 
for spar logs, we put 4 to 5 of them on the line and they never leave the line.

for spar logs the climber never has to untie, he just loosens the choke and slides it down to the next cut, groundies adjust the speedline.

when all 4 or 5 xrr slings are used up, the lowest ring is tied on to the climbing line and the climber pulls ALL of them up.

Is this sounding better now?

for this beech, we kept 3 of them on line the whole time I think.

IF people think just a little, it's not a big deal that they are not mid-line attachable.

Glad you asked, I was hoping someone would.
 
AND like I said, they are WAY more friendly on the line than biners. Plus it has a big 3/4 tenex sling that can take big weight compared to loop runner slings.
 
Is a large concrete anchor on the speedline old news?

this works great, as the limbs or logs and slam into it instead of a truck or chipper or even your blocks if doing by hand

you don't have to worry about slacking up quickly so it doesn't hit your truck, chipper or blocks.
 
3/4 tenex for a speed line is silly overkill

Can't see how rings are saving time on a speed line.....

Why not move a mini around for anchor? Just pile some brush in front aka "gill net" to stop pieces

It's good to remember that sending giant pieces on a speed line creates some severe forces......

I like the rings , but they sure aren't the best solution for that application

What are those gadgets on your arms?
 
I personally think the ring slings are brilliant for speed line application. It would suck using 3/4" tenex for everything but isn't there a smaller ring that some 1/2" or 9/16 tenex would work well on? And sure there are no gates but that's the best part, I bet these rings slings will hold up to more abuse than all the junk slings and biners I call my speed line kit.
 
you guys are great. You know what is nice about a good product? when you put something out there, then several people post something about why they might not like it, then others post why it is nice and speak up before I even get a chance too.

Daniel, my cut was not perfect, I haven't been using that "euro bore cut" long, but it works A LOT better when you follow the vertical fibers, that one wasn't exactly vertical. Beech doesn't follow my hinge well, especially when weighted heavy. This cut makes the hinge work much better.

I didn't need it to follow the notch, so I didn't care, but still placed a notch anyway. If it hinged toward the drop zone, the better. if it didn't, the speedline would correct it.

glad you brought up the gate point.

a gate on a product for vertical and near vertical speedline is stupid. especially vertical speedline, the rope will be all over the tools hole area. this means pressure and friction on the gate area and every area.

this is a big strong point for a X-Rigging Ring. No gate, no weakness. perfect shape.

more to say, but I hate working with this laptop. Besides you guys will likely say it first.

Good discussion guys.

oh, I don't think 3/4" tenex is overkill for rigging. I would never trust loop runners on most of the size stuff we take.

Like I said, I've bent steel biners (3 of them) in the past. I won't be bending these rings. Plus, biners get really hot and glaze rope, these rings do not.
 
3/4 is not overkill for rigging.....

But yes for speed line slings.... Don't twist my quote


If your bending binders on speed line your are in the red zone...that should not happen.

I do not place my prowess on how much stuff I break

Why make a speed line so dangerous by overloading ...rings or not

Now, what are those things on your arms...
 
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a gate on a product for vertical and near vertical speedline is stupid. especially vertical speedline, the rope will be all over the tools hole area. this means pressure and friction on the gate area and every area.

this is a big strong point for a X-Rigging Ring. No gate, no weakness. perfect shape.

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Dont forget, the more acute the line angle (closer to vertical), you're going to get the less friction, forces or anything else for that matter. Until and depending on how it hits the ground....at that point, especially on a VSL perhaps a thick sling would be quite reassuring. But up-until, for regular zip-lining at least, Id rather have a bunch of slings hung on my saddle than congested at the top of the line. We do lots of zip-lining out here.

Mine x-slings arrive tomorrow, I think.

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always good to test the limits of a new cut in non critical situations for different species etc..
I personally don't see the sense in that cut... if you've gone to all that trouble to plunge the face, why not finish it with a quick and easy final bottom cut... who knows, maybe its not needed... I prefer the double cut notch, which offers a similar effect without the plunge. Its easier to make and breaks with the grain.

I like the floating anchor idea, though 800 lbs seems a lotto be carrying around.. Did you notice any impact damage to the slings? Seems like you could get a similar effect by setting up a floating re-direct with a big shackle, tied off to another tree or truck/equipment. Anything to change the angle of the speed line. It wouldn't take much..

We don't speed line much, but I have used small shackles with retired lanyards or pieces of 1/2" line as slings. That works quite well.. with a shackle you don't worry about impact damage
 
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