multiSAVER, multiANCHOR, ringLOOP

Chopper, I'm happy to answer any questions or discuss some scenarios where you may need/want to use these configurations. Personally, I find myself using the basal anchor the most. Followed by the equalizing configuration.
 
Great presentation Taylor, and no doubt quality hardware....as always on both parts.

But you know, for me personally its like reading yesterdays news....same with most things DdRT, unless its for crane work or small stuff.

e.g. that footlocking part was clever and clinical....but in light of SRT, as with most aspects of treeclimbing, there's faster, simpler and dare I say better ways.

Would dearly love to see yourself and the many talented people involved with this hardware take a change of direction. If not already underway somewhere, I hope it happens soon.
 
Reg,

Thank you for the compliment. I respect your opinions.

I do not wish to turn this particular thread into a DdRT vs. SRT discussion. However, I feel that in tree work, we are in a unique field that allows climbers the opportunity to benefit from DdRT. We climb off structures (trees) that lend themselves to the use of running rope. Other areas in work at height inhibit the use of running rope techniques due to a number of variables; sharp edges, abrasive materials, extreme length of work zone (windmills, window washing, etc.) In most of these cases, SRT (along with a backup line) is absolutely the best option.

If I may paraphrase... you say "-most DdRT is yesterday's news 'unless its for crane work or small stuff'". What is different about crane work? I think the obvious answer here is that a climber needs to constantly abandon tie in points and relocate to others... crane included. Perhaps also having a completely isolated TIP with no rope through other crotches; but that is possible with SRT anyway. I abandon TIPs quite regularly throughout trees that I climb. I find DdRT lends itself nicely to this.

FWIW, I ascend SRT into ~80 out of every 100 trees. I have been occasionally work positioning on single rope for ~6 years. I would put those tree numbers at ~10 out of 100; not counting spar work, where I tend to use SRT a bit more depending upon the situation. I use my positioning lanyard in single leg configuration a few times in pretty much every tree.

The products in the video may certainly be applied to SRT. The ringLOOP 26 is well suited for a choked SRT tie in point, and a primary use of the multiANCHOR is as a basal anchor.

Overall, I prefer to work position using a running rope system. I feel this gives me the most versatility during most tree climbing operations. However, I readily, and happily, use single rope systems (and often a combination of SRT and DdRT) when I feel they are best suited to the job at hand.
 
Good answer Taylor, and I’m glad you took it how it was meant.

I’m not lookin to start another DdRT v SRT thing either, although being a recent convert its never that far from my mind....and I guess I’m only saying what perhaps a good portion of others might be thinking too. Its not really a bad or negative thing either, if the techniques are in fact practical and progressive options then you get the opportunity to explain why v the other stuff out there.

I still find myself climbing DdRT, out of habit, and then think ‘what the hell am I doing?’

You see, its a slow-a$$ way of climbing compared to the other, how I see it. For me, posting as a climber and worker, that’s what it comes down to. All that wasted effort and motion....and for those who preach that speed is not that important etc, are probably the same people who are sat at home wondering why nobodies calling. All that hand-over-hand stuff....I don’t care how much friction these things do or don’t provide, isn’t that just the dumbest thing ever in treework? All those years I wasted, yet you’d never see me relying arm power to progress up a ladder, or walking to the shops on my hands.

‘Being able to abandon your TIPs’ - being out in the sticks working from tree-to -tree then yes DdRT is probably gona be the safest and simplest....but you still wouldn’t use a friction-saver thing at the risk of it getting stuck, as these things have a habit of doing....you especially don’t want that between trees of any size. But even on a single, residential tree I’m just not buying it, having done it for years also like yourself, it’s a minor thing compared to the time and effort I can save elsewhere.

If the hardware is in fact aimed or applicable SRT like you say, then as a marketing video I think you should have at least said the words at some point.
 
Thanks for bringing this up Reg, interesting point, you set it up nice for Taylor and like a seasoned pro, his answer was bang on. I'm excited to know you are in bed with the rope wrench and SRT... anxiously awaiting your single rope vids to come.

Taylor, I'm sure you will be a front runner in posting various SRT applications with this gear, and of course I look forward for those lessons as well. Wondering how guys are using single line in crane-work now, as I feel this may helpful with certain trees. Love those multi tools!!!
 
Crazy Jimmy... why did you delete your post???... anyhow since I took the time to type the following as a reply to your deleted post I figure I might as well just send it through...
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Thanks Jimmy, I was waiting for you to mention me, geez. Hey any chance I can get an invite???? I'm happy to pay my own way - always wanted to visit Texas.
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To answer your question, I would like to apply SRT to crane work in certain trees on certain picks, to benefit from the positive aspects of SRT climbing style.

Anyway, Jimmy, just curious have you ever been to a WATABURGER? Heard they are located only in Texas, and have burgers to die for! And also, do locals pronounce it water burger or What-a-burger??? Thanks!

Oh and Jimmy... what part of what Reg said did you see as insulting??? What part did you feel was disrespectful??? Sounds like he's just fired up on the wrench and talking tools man, throwing Taylor some marketing tips/encouragement. What am I missing here??? Thanks for your input.
 
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Oh and Jimmy... what part of what Reg said did you see as insulting??? What part did you feel was disrespectful??? Sounds like he's just fired up on the wrench and talking tools man, throwing Taylor some marketing tips/encouragement. What am I missing here??? Thanks for your input.

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What did I miss?

Disrespectful and insulting....are you serious Jimmy? Come on....

Taylor would be welcome in my house, and there’s very few I can say that for.

I’ve probably put up more videos and sets of photos than anyone else on the forum....been in the hot seat time over and fired at from all angles. So on one of the very few occasions I put out my unbiased feelings as a neutral, I become the villain all of a sudden? Hell I couldn’t be any more respectful to my fellow members....but at some point people are not always going to agree, and furthermore there wouldn’t be much discussion on this particular discussion forum if nobody said or asked anything.

My post’s reflect my personal feelings on what I just watched....why else would I be a member here? You shouldn't delete your post Jimmy, I wouldn't have been offended if its from the heart.
 
I probably should of left it up but it did seem dis respectful to me this part.
"You see, its a slow-a$$ way of climbing compared to the other, how I see it. For me, posting as a climber and worker, that’s what it comes down to. All that wasted effort and motion....and for those who preach that speed is not that important etc, are probably the same people who are sat at home wondering why nobodies calling. All that hand-over-hand stuff....I don’t care how much friction these things do or don’t provide, isn’t that just the dumbest thing ever in treework? All those years I wasted, yet you’d never see me relying arm power to progress up a ladder, or walking to the shops on my hands."

It looks to me like your implying if someone climbs ddrt that essentially they are stupid because they continue to do the dumbest thing in tree work,they are unproductive and not fast,done by guys whos phones are not ringing.Is this not what your saying because thats what I read.

Thats cool if you have your opinion,just seemed like you could word things diffently.Like I said before I usually ascend with a wraptor now and install a pulley saver with a spider jack,you should try that some time Reg.
 
Ddrt vs SRT, I couldn't care less whatever one prefers power to them. Me, I can climb with the wrench or doubled rope, however for the type of work I do, trees with sprawling canopies but only 70' max doubled rope is my choice still. I work for myself and it's a small three man crew and at last check I ain't suffering. Got me a pretty sweet life down here where the pace is real " chill ". I man like it dat way, because it's less stress. Keep up the debate it makes for an interesting read when it's dark outside and I can't play in de sea.
 

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It looks to me like your implying if someone climbs ddrt that essentially they are stupid because they continue to do the dumbest thing in tree work,they are unproductive and not fast,done by guys whos phones are not ringing.Is this not what your saying because thats what I read.

Thats cool if you have your opinion,just seemed like you could word things diffently.Like I said before I usually ascend with a wraptor now and install a pulley saver with a spider jack,you should try that some time Reg.

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Jimmy I haven’t called anybody stupid, I said the hand-over-hand technique is dumb compared to something better....where one is head and shoulders faster and easier.

Sure I could word things differently, perhaps ‘inefficient’ as is often written here in a PC kind of way....but thats not what I’d say on a job. I’d say ‘Slow’....you’re too slow, or that’s too slow, because it works in getting peoples attention.

Re: the hand-over-hand. Why would I (personally speaking now) continue or go back to pull/thrust my bodyweight at a gain of half a foot per pull now that I’m equipped and practiced at just walking up the dam line at a gain of up-to 2 foot per step at any given time during a climb? Again, personally speaking, if that ever does happen I hope somebody does in fact call me a dumb slow-a$s , because it would be true now that I know better. Same as someone trying to haul themselves up a doubled line while wearing spurs on a removal, which also does happen for some bizarre reason. Arm v leg power, a whitewash time over....so why?

Also, I said that guys who so often claim that speed is not important are usually the same ones out of work....never said, everybody who uses DdRT is slow and out of work.

Love the wraptor, will get one at some point. Although to be honest I’m a lot more intrigued with what the dude is working on now, and it aint a pulley saver type app that’s for sure.

Reason I wouldn’t really gain from a wraptor right now is because I’d rarely go all the way to a top of a tree in one go and start work in the very top. With SRT I generally stop off and get on with the work during the actual ascent.

Spiderjack....a fine piece of precision engineering and workable tool no doubt. But what borderline offended me of all people Jimmy, is the apparent great emphasis on rapid descents etc, I think the term is even used in the video. Well who is that aimed at? Is it clever, or safe even? B.S is what it is to me. I’ll pass, thanks....but if you like it Jimmy I’m not suggesting you’re stupid or slow or anything else derogatory, not at all.

And, so there can be no doubt, I speak not to offend anyone, I’m merely sharing my thoughts, opinions and experiences. Thanks
 
Well to each his own bro,you do it your way and I will do it mine.If you ever get a visa and wanna come down to texas let me know,we had 90 hundred degree days last year so maybe we do go slow,lol.
I started ascending srt in 04 or 05,frog walking in 06,rads systems after that.I was using a fate revoiver system april of 2009.I climbed our masters challenge in may 2010,working the tree totally srt using a unicender. I was rope wrenching shortly after they came out and trained a new climber to be effcient with its use. Im a believer in it and srt climbing and have alot of experience in its uses. I believe its great for alot of trees and alot of climbers,but not for all.I have owned my company for 11 years and constantly strive to make our company more effcient or as you say fast.Trust me bro im old school when it comes to that train of thought.Im 40 and been in this industry my entire life.Speed is my goal without compromising safety or quality.Its all about the bottom dollar.So when i pursue climbing systems its to make us faster and more money.I think you got me confused with somebody else or you just dont know me.Im just like you,looking over at the other guy and wondering why hes doing something to go slower and make me go home later.See the longer where there the more I have to pay and the less money I make -I dont like that to much.
I feel for my crew and their talents the wraptor is the best option.If they wanna climb srt I could care less just do what ever works bests.Its funny Ive done some trees srt and thought ddrt would of been a better choice and vice versa.I think part of being a great climber is learning which systems fits a particular tree best and do that.being versatle and instantly accessing a job and using the right tool for that job.Its about being honest with ourself and letting go of bias.To say working srt for every tree is the best is not wise in my opinion.
Currently Im using the wraptor,pulley saver spiderjack combo because I feel it makes me most efficient.I tore my rotator cuff and labrum in November and hurt my knee 5 weeks ago.So the way im climbing currently fits the obstacles I have.I still can go fast and make money but im not tired at all and I dont expose my injuries.Once I heal I may go back to frog walking and footlocking just for comps.But honestly when i got 10 70' trees to prune(not conifers) and I want to get it done that day why would I wanna waste energy.Seems to me a its easier to get a free ride to the top and work my way down hill.Plus Ive noticed when working a tree on the way up I have to work it on the way down,to clear all the hangers-just seems like double work if I got a ride to the top doesnt it.
My point Reg is ive tried SRT for some time and think it really has its place,I would be foolish to say it doesnt .But I believe I would be just as foolish say its best for every tree and every climber.
Have you ever used a Ring loop,Multi anchor,Wraptor,spiderjack or pulley saver-if not how can you base an opinion on something you have never used ?

I would like to ad as well about the products Taylor promotes.I own alot of it and some of it I use and some I dont.I probably take more chances and dont like alot of re directs and messing around with junk,i just like to get it done.But ive worked with Taylor and he is spot on with the stuff he teaches and promotes. He uses it and does it very fast and safe.He will use like the whole treemagineers pdf up there and makes it look easy.When he was in texas we were destroying jobs it was like every job felt like we over bid it.Taylor did things his way and i did it mine,but the outcome was the same we got stuff done and it was done fast,really fast.Our sales guy was blown away our whole company was effected by his visit.I think my guys saw me climb all these years and just kinda thought Im fast just because Im a little nuts or something.But Taylor showed them ways of being fast and safe that fit their skill sets.
I understand Reg you discovered something new and in your mind its given you a new zeal an realization. But understand not everyone will experience things the same way.Also be humble enough to say maybe theres more to learn and know and not everyone has to do things your way to be fast . Forgive me Taylor I derailed your thread and some great products and a awesome video.REG,If you like we could start a thread covering these topics,but honestly im done.
 
Jimmy, I kind-of sorry but at the same time pleased that you thought me worthy to reply with such a huge post. There’s way too much at this time of night for me to answer all of it but there’s at least a couple of things that I can respond to.

You really didn’t need to explain or justify you credentials because I met you already, all be it briefly but would like to believe I can read people pretty well. Same goes for Taylor who I know a little better.

If I talk about speed its not that I rush things or try to be fast like a busy fool, more like ‘how can I achieve more by doing as least as possible’ i.e. I worked with a fast climber just recently, big guy, faster than me on the spurs and with the saw. Only when he was 30 ft above/past me and further excelling in his fast sawing and spurring, I sunk in an undercut right there (took me ages with the 200t) and let go with a 60ft top. Calculated, nothing wasted, game over for the fast guy. Srt, in my opinion, compliments that kind of work-ethic. You’ll never see me lookin beat at the end of a day. I’ll be 40 in August

No I’ve never used a ringloop, wraptor, pulley saver, multi anchor or spiderjack, but I’ve used cranes, winches and trucks to hoist me up plenty of trees in the past, as well as setting up countless frictionless climbing and rigging systems to my advantage. So to a greater extent I can make the connection in seeing these gadgets and using them in reality.
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I understand Reg you discovered something new and in your mind its given you a new zeal an realization. But understand not everyone will experience things the same way.Also be humble enough to say maybe theres more to learn and know and not everyone has to do things your way to be fast . Forgive me Taylor I derailed your thread and some great products and a awesome video.REG,If you like we could start a thread covering these topics,but honestly im done.

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I dont mind putting my foot in it or being proved wrong Jimmy, because I can always back down or apologise later. I’ve done it plenty of times here on the forum actually....if fact, ironically, the last time I believe was over my scepticism of the whole SRT thing. But its just not in my mindset that I could possibly be wrong initially, even if it turns out that way later. That’s just how I make things happen, I don’t doubt myself ever, and I’m not about to change.

In that sense I realise not everyone will experience the same compatibility as me with a given technique, good point. But at the same time there’s probably many that will, and if by way of expressing my views switches on even an handful of lights then that’s not a bad thing.
FWIW I don’t feel like Taylors thread has been hijacked or derailed...some quite relative discussion in fact.
 
"Also, I said that guys who so often claim that speed is not important are usually the same ones out of work"

Could it also be said that those that boast of being fast aren't charging enough so they have to do more work?
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Have to eat my words, put the wrench into action this week and I must have been a fool not to incorporate this fine device since I started climbing on it in January. I too am now a convert. Will leave the Ddrt for when a situation that calls for it. Damn I hate admitting when I am wrong. One thing I make sure and do is get paid good money for my work and because I run my little show with low overheads I earn decent money, this job is dangerous and a lot of skill is necessary to complete safe efficient professional work and should be justly compensated for.
 
Crazy Jimmy, I know you said you were done but it's been a few days so I thought I'd ask, you said... "I tore my rotator cuff and labrum in November and hurt my knee 5 weeks ago."
-Sorry to hear that, if you don't mind me asking, How did you get hurt? and, How long did it take before you could get back to work? Did your crew still run while you were down?

REG, a quick Q for you too...

You said, "Love the wraptor, will get one at some point. Although to be honest I’m a lot more intrigued with what the dude is working on now, and it aint a pulley saver type app that’s for sure"

-What's the dude working on now?

Oh... and to all y'all 40 year olds, word is 40 is the new 30 so your not over the hill quite yet. I'm hoping this fancy gear will keep you guys climbing trees for a long time. Thanks guys.
 
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