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as a arborist, personally money seems to elude me( and I am not along, we always seem to do the harder work with the lesser pay) in the last two years I have gotten a crash course in life finances. and want to take a minute to open this up and maybe we can all benefit. something that I realizes is for some reason I was really good a creating a really low paying job, convincing myself it was a good idea then promptly hiring myself. and rarely was it the case my actual job that paid so lousy, Im not talking about under bidding work. for example. a charge out rate in this area is 75-100 bucks a man hour. when I had my own truck, my truck did not care if it was working or not, so it should have been working all the time right? so if I was to run a 2 man crew, that is 150-200 a hr. when all the dust clears, I was making a sizable hourly rate. but I would get stupid. when I wanted to update gear I would look to see what I could make. for example, I can weld ok, I mean I should not be working on a oil derrick, but I can get it done. so I look at tree stuff and see a port wrap is 120 bucks. YIKES, for that little welded up piece of pipe??? so I parked my truck drove down to the metal shop, picked up the metal for 20 bucks and came home, had lunch, go out realize my welding rod got wet, so I run down to the store and pick up some of that, come home and weld up a port wrap looking thing, and of course I decide to make it "better" . but Im done with it by 2pm. and I saved myself 100 bucks! what I now realized is what I really did was created the worse paying job I had since high school and I hired myself. First my truck was not running, so that was my really nice hourly rate not happening, my insurance did not stop, my advertising did not stop and my truck payment did not stop. all of those things are based on that 150-200 a man hour rate. which I was then getting 70 for the day. what I was doing instead I was spending 20 bucks in metal, 10 bucks in new rod, 10 bucks in fuel to go get it all , and I spent 6 hours, and that is only if I don't count the 2 hours the night before, being wigged out by the 120 price port wrap, deciding I was gonna make one then designing it. so now my savings just in materials is about 70 bucks. and if you want to get picking only more stuff will get added to this list.

imagine if I did that every day! had to pay insurance, had to make truck payment, had to pay advertising, and I only brought in 70 bucks a day! 70 dollars a day, i could have taken a job at wendy's and made that.

reality is what I did was shut down a 150-200 dollar a hour operation for a day and spent the night before not playing with my kids or hanging out with my wife. and I "saved" 70 bucks.


so when all the dust settled, I would have 130 MORE dollars, a real port wrap as apposed to my made up deal, a brand new rope to do with my real porta-wrap, AND I would have provided another days work to my guy or guys. and the biggest part is,…. I would have not have given up my family time/personal time/ golf time/ hunting time ect.


for the port wrap thing to have made sense financially I would have had to been able to weld that sucker up from start to finish will all time accounted for in 25 min or less. as in including all the time thinking about it, the time not looking at them on line, picking up the metal, prep and actually doing the work, then admiring my work. I bet I spent 25 mins afterwards with a beer playing with it.. . it took me longer than that to start this thread.

any thoughts?
 
Yeah, I have some thoughts. I think your right on. I think you need to focus on doing what you do best, and what makes you money. That is the way I run my business. I would rather pay someone else, who has the tools and they expertise to do the job so I can be out doing tree work and making money. I have even thought about having someone do some of my personal things. Like dishes, shop for groceries and my laundry, so I can focus my attention towards running and growing my business. But, I don't see that happen soon!!:)
 
does the rope run smooth on your device? if so, its a good tool. think about your time as precious moments, and realize time is easily wasted
 
Nail on the head realization there for me recently.
I can fix everything I own, but...I make more money paying others to fix it.
A full time mechanic position is in our future as we are accumulating equipment beyond my time to deal with and at $100+/hr for local shops versus $20ish/hr in house, just makes sense.

Soon I'll be buying new equipment for the same reason?
 
My dad has been a successful entrepreneur over the years, just one of those guys who loves to build a business and then move onto something new. One of the first things he taught me is that you have to assign your time a value, whether it is fabricating equipment, maintaining something, etc... As was said before, "cheap is expensive".
 
Yep, it's just a really, really expensive piece when you realize the value of your time. Next time ask yourself is this the highest and best use of my time?
 
I like where this went ,,, it's really hard I am in the production manger stage and it's a big juggle ,crew ,estimates,family ,home repairs ,,,,,,,,blahhhhhhhh. Great points though
 
I grew up in an area were everyone was like how you described. Why pay someone when I can do it? But the town and service businesses suffer because no one hires services unless they are absolutely necessary, then the businesses that are struggling get the nasty stuff. Its amazing to me how everyone else would benefit if people realized what you finally did.
Whenever I get asked by my friends or someone, 'why didn't you just do that yourself?' I tell them, "I hire people to do what they know how to do, and in turn I hope the'll do the same for me." Granted, there are some of those gratifying projects, but I almost never waste time tinkering with stuff I don't have a good grasp on. Mostly, because I'm afraid I'll break it...
 
the port wrap thing was a really old example, but the more I do the more I realize how that kind of thing can really slow down or even stop the growth of your company or career.
 
I have done several oaks more than 40" dbh this way.all but one are very happy, this is over a 5 year span. I have never tried organic but would like to seems to me the more natural nature replacement is better
 
So....maybe you had fun trying to create your own tool? Did you want to play with the welder? And found a way to do so?
Personally, I like getting my hands dirty with things other than climbing. It gets those "other" gears grinding in my mind. It is fun to me. Even if it makes me zero dollars or puts me in the hole. I like to tinker. Now if the genuine main reason was trying to pinch pennies, you probably lost the battle.
 
rather than a bus .. er uh riders doing nothing ? how about a sports team. owner , coach, managers, players, etc... everyone has a role
 
I'd say basketball. Everybody is in motion none stop but when it's your time "with the ball" you are the most crucial part of the "play". It could be the climber cutting the piece, the groundman letting the piece run, while the other controls a tag line. Or if it's a compound rig; the climber putting the right "touch" on the piece with ropes and proper notch technique while all three groundsmen "pass" the piece to each other at the right time, avoiding the given hazards (defenders), so it lands in the predetermined spot (the hoop).
 
The sports analogy is good, but I've always viewed the team work style much like mountaineering, or commercial fishing. Perhaps even restaurant work, but that is fairly low risk and low consiquence.
 

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