Log and crane truck owners, what is your wheelbase

Mike,

Thanks for the wheelbase figure and information.

Your truck is a bit shorter than what I'm planning on. Your wheelbase is around 3 feet shorter.

My wheelbase, 284".
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I guess I'll reveal what I'm working on putting together.

New International 7600 truck. Two drive axles and one lift steerable pusher.

69 foot knuckleboom behind the cab.

Hooklift system to change bodies and dump.

This truck will be my log truck, my large chip truck, my man lift truck, my crane, my skid loader and equipment hauler, my trash truck... and much more as time goes on.
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I'm about exhausted. Spent lot of hours on this. Driven many places, seen many brands of knucklebooms and trucks. Gotten many quotes, over the past month, or actually maybe it's been two months now.

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Thursday night, my brother had me worried about the turning radius on the truck I ordered, so that's when I wrote this post. He said my new truck might be close to his Peterbuilt specs. His Peterbilt with Manitowoc crane is a bit of a hassel to manuver around. Well, if you drove it around a lot like I'm planning on.

So today, Sunday, we took his Peterbilt out to measure it's turning radius.

For those that might be looking into turning radius for large trucks, here's what I found out:

His (Peterbilt)wheelbase is 291.5", mine 284", mike poors 246".

His Peterbilt does not have the setback front axle, my international will.

His Peterbilt turned a radius (inside front tire) of 53'6". My International is said to have one of 43'6".

I just didn't want one similar to the Peterbilt, so 10 feet tighter I think will be fine with me.

International ran a radius summary on a shorter wheelbase truck just to compare too. My truck was 284" wheelbase with 43'6" radius, if the wheelbase was shortened to 272" the radius would be 41'9". Two feet is not that big of a deal, so I'll stick with the longer truck so I can carry a longer container and more stable for knuckleboom too.

Interesting, 12 inch wheelbase difference between the two International trucks, equals 2'3" difference in turning radius.

My brothers Peterbilt is only 7 1/2" longer wheelbase than my International, but his turning radius is 10 feet more.
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Mike, you don't have a wheelbase study from when you bought your volvo do you?
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attached is picture of my brother's Peterbilt, (you've probably seen a picture before)

thanks for the info here guys,
 

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Interesting. All our trucks are cabovers, and it makes a BIG difference in manouverability. My rearmounted grapple truck has a tandem rear and twin steer tandem front. its a 260" wheel base, but it carries 44,000lbs with ease.

My new truck is speced for pulling my chippers to shows, so its got a big sleeper cab, aluminium deck, short wheelbase and a rear lift. I can scoot this truck into the tightest gap. I pull a 22" chipper behind and carry a bunch of small chippers and miniskids on the back.
 

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Mr Ed, Have you not been paying your bills to your website provider?

'This account has been suspended'

Its just that I cant open your Dymech site, which is a shame cause I wanted to look at your equipment.

Can you sort it out? so I can see the gear please?

Thanks

AxeKnot
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Hey Mr Ed, i wish had more cabovers here. The biggest crane Effer makes, the model 2200 (220 t/m 160 feet of side reach) are usually mounted on tandem front steer cab over Scania's! Hey theXman, you're going to love that multi use rig! What ton meter rating is it!
 
Re: Log and crane truck owners, what is your wheel

The boss is having trouble signing in so i'll take a stab at this.

We have 2 Grove 3055 60 ton Cranes. 2004, and 2006

The wheelbase is 14'6"

They have 3 drive axles

The overall length from the tip of the boom in the front to the winch drum out back is 37'4". The overall truck length is 28'5". The outrigger spread is only 20'3"!!

All axles can drive and steer the machines. We can pick which axles drive, steer, which axles to lock the diffs on etc etc. As far as maneuvarabilty goes, we can also turn any or all of the axles at once or together, we also have the option of crab stering.

I have attached a link to the page for this machine. They are quite impressive. There is a specifications chart in PDF format that shows all the measurements and load charts, etc etc.

As far as driving everyday, this rides nicer than almost any luxury auto on the road. HUGE airbag suspension ystem and 12 adustable drivers seat. the suspension can also be raised 6.5" and lowered 5.1". You can raise any axle side to side front to back independently of each other. or jut push the auto level and the comp. does the work and your god to go.

Before this becomes a short story check out the link attached and open th PDF file.

http://www.manitowoccranegroup.com/MCG_GRO/Products/EN/GMK3055.asp
 
xman what kind of knuckle are you getting? The 7600 you have ordered is that with the new emmissions and is the front axle set froward or set back? That is one Im looking at but with a 266" wb and 192-200 cab to axle. and steerable pusher.
 
Mike, they call it a 28.3 mt crane.

I'm getting a Palfinger 29002 with performance level "G".

sealed the deal on it today actually.

the max lift capacity of the standard 29002 is 8500kg/18740lbs.

But I'm getting the longest hydraulic reach in the 29002 model. 69ft 3inches (that's horizontal from the truck). Max lift of this one is 6500kg/14,330lbs.

at 15ft from the truck, it should pick 11,820lbs.(5360kg)

At 69'3" horizontal pick, will do 1570lbs/ 710kg.

Here's a picture of a C rated one (only 40ft reach, ext aren't out in this picture and I don't have those "wheels" on the boom)
DSC0055536002EWickmid.jpg

Here is a 29002 with only 6 extensions, 54 feet:
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Allmark, I was having trouble finding a pre-emision truck. Needed to find one already built with the specs I was looking for. I would not order an emision truck, no way! Found a few Sterlings at cheap prices, but not everything that I was looking for (and I don't have a good feeling about Steerlings from the things I've heard. -not to hurt anyone's feelings, just my opinion). My International guy could not find an International already built the way I wanted it.

Then after looking quite a while and knowing what I wanted, my international guy calls me up. GOOD NEWS! International told him they had some more pre-emission cat c13 engines and could take a few more orders for pre-emision 2007 trucks. Said it would likely cap in one to two days.

I do not rush into any big purchase, luckily I had already done my homework. I was able to spec it out and put the order in. 7 pages of detailed specs, each the way I want it, from the engine to the heated mirrors to the synthetic oil in the rears. Also built with input from my Palfinger salesman for frame strength and lengths to the Integrated throttle control for crane remote control. Looks like it's all good! Got a VIN number and everything. Building it exactly the way I want it. Here's the biggest important facts: International 7600, CAT c13 with the 470hp, 8LL 10 speed manual trans, 46,000lb rears, 20,000 lb front (With some fat freekin front tires 425/65R22.5.), 13,200lb self steer pusher axle.

Federal bridge formula will allow me to be 59,500lbs.

But since I will have a dumping container, I can register as a dump truck and can have 70,000 lb rating in Maryland.

Actual truck weight with everything on it around 36,000 to 37,000 lbs.

I looked at Hiab, PM, Fassi and Palfinger. Heila just a little bit. Effer, just a little bit (dealer not close enough).

Palfinger blew them away. Hiab and Fassi tied for second place. But I never learned much about Effer, so don't include them in my list.

I'm getting all the extras on my Palfinger. (well, not a fly-jib or winch) But the 6 fuction radio remote, Paltronic 50 overload protection with readouts on crane and handset and the Active Oscillation Suppression System. And a man basket (was going to make one with my welder, but Palfinger didn't like that idea). A kinshofer grapple (made detactable).

My salesman had Palfinger engineers take my truck specs and figure up stability reports and truck weight report. Very nice. I can max the crane's limits out over every point of the truck and still not tip it over (level truck of course and not shock loading).

If I had a scanner working I could add the engineer drawlings here, impressive.

Anyone looking to make a purchase like this, I will gladly help you with what I've learned. Like I said, I drove to many places and ran or watched most of these cranes in action, as well as hooklifts. My brother in Mississippi helps run a fleet of 65 trucks, so he helped refine my truck specs over Thanksgiving. I feel I have made some educated choices.


I feel very good about the choices I've made thus far. And that's a good thing, cause it's going to cost almost like buying a second house!

It's not a success story till the complete truck/crane/hooklift package is in my posession and working correctly. So... we'll see...

March, 2007 will be my Christmas.
 
Oh, and I never said anything about my hooklift.

It's also made by Palfinger.

Their line of hooklifts are called Palift.

It's a T 40 L.

It uses high pressure hydraulics also. I will be able to run one PTO for both systems, divertor valve to switch.

It's a 40,000 lb lift. I will be able to drag on a container or body weighing 40,000lbs or dump 40,000lbs.!

Here's a picture of a 25,000lb one (i think), it has a knuckleboom on this deck though. It is unloading/loading the deck here, this is not dumping. To dump, they lock in the middle then the hinge point is at the far rear. My 40,000 is built similar:

palift11.jpg


I will be able to drive my ASV 4810 (skidloader) into the container and go. No more driving it onto a trailer and all that time chaining it down.

Something like 48 seconds to hook it and drag it onto the truck or set it off the truck. (Forgot the actual seconds, less than a minute, I know that.)

I would not want a cable lift system. They are cheaper, but not desirable, in my opinion.
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Oh, and here's a brochure with pictures and detailed specs of my knuckleboom: http://www.palfinger.com/palfinger/1119_EN-PK-29002-EN%2d8
 
Re: Log and crane truck owners, what is your wheel

Boston Bull,

Yes, those all terrane cranes are the best.

Big boom and big capacities in a small package that can turn and go about anywhere.

Nice!
 
Re: Log and crane truck owners, what is your wheel

xman...I just called my dealer. the 7600 8ll 20 fr 46 r is what weve been looking for. I just told him you were able to order a preemission. hope it works. Looks like a well thought out truck your putting together.
I have the same concerns w/ the sterling.
Did you just place the order on the truck this week or the whole setup?
 
Re: Log and crane truck owners, what is your wheel

Any idea of the finished cost estimate? Sounds like an awesome rig!
 
Palfinger engineers say curb weight of finished truck includes fuel, hydraulic oil, a 225lb driver, subframe, toolboxes, deck, crane, pump/pto, etc Equals: 36,726lbs.

But I'm not sure when they say "deck", if it's just a bare flatbed "skid" or a container. Probably not a container. My container I have in mind to make, should be a good bit more than that.

So your 38K will probably be a more correct figure.
 
Re: Log and crane truck owners, what is your wheel

Allmark,

I looked it up for you. My truck dealer got word on November 28th on the pre-emision order available. I was in early the next morning on November 29th and the order was sent in around 10:00am.

12/11/06 I made my choice on who to go with on the knuckleboom and hooklift purchase/install.

He put it in as a sale to get the order in, without a deposit. Deposit made a week later after it was a sure thing (well, never sure till it arrives).

If my order failed, he had a second option, which was to change around a 7600 truck (he had ordered earlier to just sell on the lot).

I'm sure Sterlings are a fine truck. Their price is sure desirable. I got one quote for $80,000 on a Sterling and one for $88,000. They weren't spec'd for everything I needed though. I was looking forward to the Mercedes engine if I went Sterling, I've heard very good things about them. The engines and drivetrains are all good stuff, I've been told they are a little "cheap" on the rest of the things on the truck and cab.

State highway here bought a large fleet of them. Now they are complaining that the parts for them are very expensive and that's where Sterling makes some of their money. They never imagined looking into the parts pricing before they made a choice on a which manufacturer to go with. This is what I heard from my welder that does a lot of work on State Highway trucks. State worker told him that. I think they had him make a downpipe cause Sterling wanted $800 for that short section of exhaust pipe.

Another mechanic told me that he worried the Sterling line would stop someday and parts would be hard to get. Like the old L series Ford truck line. He said it's like a sub company under Frieghtliner and sometimes they just do away with a sub-company like that. Then parts are hard to find and expensive.

I plan on having this truck a VERY long time, so....

Allmark, if you really do want a pre-emission truck and can't find one, I know of another International dealership that should have gotten one 12/09/06. And like I said, my dealer has an old order for some to come in that aren't spoken for yet.

Send me a PM if you are serious and your dealer can't get you one. Plus I can fax you my spec sheets.

I'm told emision trucks will be around $10K to 11,000 more and you won't get it in till June or July.
 
Hmmmm.

Mike Poor, what mt is your boom rated? Pretty heavy duty I bet.

Well, more like Mark C's I would say.

No fly-jib like Mike Poor. I can get a fly jib for mine, but I think a person should go with a bigger crane if they really want to use a fly-jib. I really want to use a grapple at the end of mine (like Mark's).

I'll have rear outriggers like Mike, due to my extra stability needed for the 69ft horizontal reach.

I have continuos rotation, Mike's probably is also.

Mine just has one straight section of extensions after the knuckle like Marks, but just a few more. Mikes has a whole nother set of extensions after another knuckle.

So yeah, mine is much closer to Mark's I would say.

Then of course the truck will have one more versitile component, which is being able to switch bodies besides dumping.

I'm thinking the boom use will be 50% log loading, 30% crane picks, 20% or less man lift. But I bet this will likely change once I find out the things I can do with it.
 
Re: Log and crane truck owners, what is your wheel

Oh, all right then M.B.

Finished cost? Nah, no idea. What ever it is, it is....

just kidding.

Truck
knuckleboom
computer systems
remote
grapple
40,000lb hooklift system
container box w/chip top
nice manbasket (made by Palfinger)
rear outriggers
tool boxes

roughly 250 grand, hopefully not 260.

I was originally shooting for 200 grand.
 
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