Live Blog for the ITCC and conference

It was a really great spectator experience, watching the masters. After the an introduction things get nice and quiet, everybody is straining to hear the climber and really focusing on their actions. The climber starts setting a line and you can feel a hundred or more people hoping that shot hits its mark. The whole way through it's obvious as you look around that much of the crowd is familiar with the joys and triumphs of a great climb. James Kilpatrick had a hard time getting set up, put together an amazing climb and was going to finish with seconds to spare.....everybody was cheering like mad and then.....his rope got stuck and I could feel the disappointment, how bad everybody felt for the guy.

The people in the stands at a football game don't play everyday, they may have never played the game at all.
 
Scott Forrest and Johan did the climb error free, great climbs ' Scott forest mopped up all hisngear' yawn' Johan barely finished, yawn' James' had an stroke of bad luck' Jared 'mhad one bad rope angle, and had one of the coolest climbs in itcc history. No yawn' way above score sheet scoring' maybe one day the score sheet will catch up to the climb' Jamie leee Was the first competitor in itcc history to use a single line rope wrench' broken limb cost the real champ the title. Cottonwood 'watch all the climbs 'is a has video ' tell me annna and Jared didn't in . sforrest and Jonah did everything we have done for twenty years. Jared took risks, raised the mbar and killed them climb' innovation over one same bad rope angle is bullsh8"
 
Scott Forrest and Johan did the climb error free, great climbs ' Scott forest mopped up all hisngear' yawn' Johan barely finished, yawn' James' had an stroke of bad luck' Jared 'mhad one bad rope angle, and had one of the coolest climbs in itcc history. No yawn' way above score sheet scoring' maybe one day the score sheet will catch up to the climb' Jamie leee Was the first competitor in itcc history to use a single line rope wrench' broken limb cost the real champ the title. Cottonwood 'watch all the climbs 'is a has video ' tell me annna and Jared didn't in . sforrest and Jonah did everything we have done for twenty years. Jared took risks, raised the mbar and killed them climb' innovation over one same bad rope angle is bullsh8"
I'm going to go ahead and score this post a 10 for being totally F'ing confusing. Am I surprised? Hellz no.
 
that was my reply after watching(drinking) all and than returning to hotel after I won money because I said forrest won . Money , not much , but money is made from paper , paper comes from trees and trees are in the .......forrest. I thought Forrst won because of scoring . Jared not being second , blows my mind . Jonah had a good climb , but took six minutes plus for the first two stations and his swings were timid, plus after the first bell , went to the top and brought his hitch too close to the TIP before he lanyard in . His swing to second bell was weak , had a slack smile that was , amateur . HE went on and killed the climb , but it was dull , and so third place . Kirkpattrick , had a lot of early problems , kind of sucked because I wanted to see his best climb , I didn't , but that man crushed that climb when everyone there , including me didn't think he finish. His plumb station was perfect . poor guy blows outta of the tree and pulls his rope out , everyone's cheering . Rope snaps over a limb . the guy can't throw a loop to save his climb , times out . Jared , throws his bag behind his , back ,( cocky but cool) bang . pulls up throw bags ( what is he doing ? ) kills the first bell , proceeds to the top , sets ropes all over the place . The second bell he settled for a low angle . Fatal mistake . kills the plumb station , coolest of them all . Gets to the ground and pulls all his lines out with one rope . Are you kidding me ? Seriously . that was wild . Third ? yeah right . Forrest , Bing bang bam , like a prize fighter who jabs his way to the title , climb was boring , was the the score sheets best . YAWN . Jared took a lot of risks and opened doors , his climb , by far was the coolest and I've seen a lot of climbs .

The woman's , please !!! two don't finish , don't hit bells , and one breaks a mid limb sucker from a cottonwood and comes in third . Really ? the tech went to flush that limb and broke one twice the size . Come on , take the station away , the other two never saw it( the station) , but don't take the climb away . that woman from New Zealand is the best woman's climber , sure , she knew the "sucker" might break , but in most trees it wouldn't . Who is the real sucker . Crime .

- Work climb was weak , did nothing to separate the climbers . boring at best
-belayed speed climb was the place were no one but the competitors were - Boring
- Footlock , Christain makes that fun to watch
=aerial rescue , 6 minutes to save a life ........time ..... out , joke
-throwline , was the best set up event
= way too many volunteers in every event , say no !
-Ran smooth well done .



Get rid of the foot lock and belay , extend the time in aerial rescue , make a competitive work climb ( first station was a gimme) , keep
the throw line , and change the Masters score sheet to allow and accept single line . Plus do a live text vote the winner for those watching the Masters . 1 and 2 were toss ups , Johan was third and Kirk 4th .

All in all I enjoyed my weekend watching the ITCC . Thanks to all competitor's and the too many volunteers that made that possible .

Things I didn't see ? Sherrill , Vermeer , Bartlett

Saw Tee Stuff set up like Silicone valley , recliners and couches , Whoa , Revolution ? Change is good , Maybe the ITCC will notice .
 
I was looking for anyone who looked like Herman munster , guess you didn't make it . Thought you didn't read my posts . You need attention ?
 
Nah, just needed some clarification. Funny, I was looking for Herman Munster at Providence, Chicago and Toronto, but missed you LOL. Should I have been looking for Eddie?

I appreciate all of your feedback about the comp, and I mean that sincerely. I hope your comments are taken seriously by those who can affect change.
 

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So the best two each came third? Agree with the women for sure... MMen's, maybe - surprised bby the points back for Jared, thought itd come down to one judge ticking one box different.... prelim results attached...Did you see the one handed ID use in the rescue? It's a -3 point deduct apparently....Yet RW must be used to spkec...Agree on work climb, could have done it myself... Scared of hight - no problem, ccan't swing - no problkem either, o.k. limb walker....Wife's 14 y/o nephew could have done it....AAm typing like thims because of tablet, although do enjoy Riggs stream of conciousness...
 
Tree climbing is weird because in reality really best climbs are the dullest. There should be no excitement or "extreme" although those are the most entertaining. A good climb should just seem effortless and Scott is a master at making it all look like another walk in the park.
 
You can all come on out next time and help "liven" up the work climb. Anytime, I am always open to suggestions.

There sure we some other tree options that would have made a better climb, but it was nice having most of the events close together.

Tony
 
Tony, if that were only true. While I agree that opinions are, well, you know, you can't just invite the peanut gallery in to your decisions with a TCC. You need to have a small group, and someone needs to make executive decisions. I've been on that side of it, and there will always be critics.

-Tom
 
I don't think there was anything wrong with the tree, and it's a different situation to Toronto. In Toronto it was hard to see what more could have been done in that tree. In Milwaukee the tree was fine. The peanut gallery has a point in this case. I think there is pressure from on high to have a quick work climb, what with the numbers; and I think a sub 2:20 winning work climb will become common. I also think the station choice was made to create the up and over and slow things down. Same could be done by moving out the first bell and the bucket so as to create a challenge. I do know the effort that goes into these things, and I do know the volunteers all give freely of their time; and I also know that travelling 14,000 km to watch the world's best climbers reach out and hit the first bell without moving from the starting hooter does make a person in the peanut gallery question things.
 
The work climb tree ws set up as training ,
. Too small off of tree and tight to separate the skills and climb of international champions . The kids climb to the left was harder. Plus , aerial rescue , was a ladder rescue , they invented a situation , to make six minutes work . I', m not the peanut gallery , I 'm a nut !
 
I am not interested getting involved in an on-line debate, but will state this once, as I find some of the view expressed here disrespectful to the time and energy that volunteers willingly invest in making ITCC happen: Feel free to disagree with how things are done or set up. You may not like decisions. You may think that you could do a much better job of it.

Then let me tell you that this is an inclusive – not exclusive – event, so feel free to volunteer and muck in with everybody else.

But frankly, if all you are able or willing to offer is armchair critiques and contribute nothing towards improving the event, in my eyes your opinion it is pretty hollow.

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Sorry all for my delay in replying. I will also apologize for a lengthy post! As public service announcement, if you are not interested in the intricacies of TCC work climb set up, tune out now, crack a cold beer and do something you find valuable! Allow me to also state that this whole post is not a challenge. I am throwing no gauntlets here! It is my attempt to share with this community what I think/ have learned about setting up an ITCC event. The idea is to share what I know, learn something new from you all and have a relevant discussion. Nothing more or less.

Tom,
I agree. We cannot let the peanut gallery in. I am fully aware that you cannot please all the people all the time, too many cooks in the kitchen and all that. However, I do encourage participation in the ITCC. My remark, while phrased flippantly, was double entendre. I meant at once if you can't show up on set up day, then sit back and cheer; as well as if it bothers you that much then do something about it!

Nothing would please me more than to see Riggs on the work climb set up team for ITCC. I respect his judgement, skill and ability to spot bullshit a mile away! I respect his comments and criticism while simultaneously deploring his writing style! (The writing thing is a "Tony" issue, I know!) I also realize and respect all Riggs does for the Penn-Del chapter TCC and understand his "spectatorship" at ITCC.

From a personal stand point, there is not much you can post online that will piss me off. Thick skin comes with wisdom, or is it the other way around? Life gets much easier and the drama of living much less when you get to a point in life where what others think fails to impact you on a personal level. Say what you like. I'll listen to the objective and dismiss the subjective. Like me if I make you think you are thinking, hate me if I really make you think, The choice is out of my hands and in yours.
Professionally I am not so smug to pretend I have all the answers. I appreciate the view from the outside looking in, even if I think it flawed. I make mistakes and will continue to do so, albeit while trying my dead level best. I realize my judgments may not be in line with others and will always keep an open mind. The key is to not let it get full of junk!

To the issue of the 2104 ITCC work climb:

Nothing would please me more to see a more international and multi gender presence on the work climb set up team. To this end I invite you all to volunteer your time, effort and energy as many great volunteers already do.

So you all have bit of backstory, the ITCC committee reviews the proposed competitions sites well before competition. The trees for events are narrowed, but not actuality selected until pretty much the wednesday before the comp. As head tech I try to get into town that wednesday, but most often I arrive latter that evening and do not see the selected tree until thursday morning.

As head tech, along with the head judge, I do have some say in the tree selection. If it is unsafe or unsuitable (due to aerial inspection) then we get another tree. Other than that, I realize the myriad of other logistical concerns in and ITCC, so I run with the tree I am given, trusting to the others on the whole ITCC team. The 2104 tree was what it was. It was safe an possible to put a work climb in. Where there different option in the area? Yes. Were there better options? This is not for me to answer. A key component of leadership is delegation. A key component of a leader is to recognize and respect that delegation. The tree was chosen, my job was to set it up to the best of the work climb team's ability. I trust those above me that the decision was made based on sound, logical judgement, just as they trust me and the head judge to accomplish the task given us, setting up a work climb

As for the actual climb, the tree was limiting. As always we try and showcase best working practices. Therefore, rope angles are maintain at 45º or less, Proper, effective and safe places to use you lanyard when at the work stations are necessary. Every tree is different, this one had only one real option for a challenging limb walk, based on the above criteria. Hence, the rest of the climb was built off that. We tweaked the limb toss to make the throw "difficult" because approaching the station was easy, do to honoring 45º rope angles. The pole saw station was set to be a bit misleading and "Stretch" the climber out opposite the lanyard. This was to show control and poise as well as distant judgement.

Because of branching structure large swing were not possible. We chose to make some "up and overs" forcing slack management. In the end We tried our best to construct a climb with many options and let the climbers climb. the only caveat was not to let climbers put themselves in an unsafe positions i.e. subject to fall, excessive swing or collision if something were to go wrong.

As for time, yes a three to four minute climb is logistically all that can be handled. At sixty plus climbers, every minute equals an hour. As it was, the day went smoothly and it was still a 8.5 hour day. Could we go longer? Sure, but we have to be realistic. Would I love to see a longer, more involved work climb? Yes, I am actively working to see significant change in the format of the ITCC. As for the present, I work within the confines of the event as it is now. The decision for a short climb is not from the "higher ups" but arrived at from math, good sense and a need to err on the side of caution. I principally, with the concurrence of the head judge, make the final decision of the length/difficulty of the work climb. I do this trying to balance the need for safety, efficiency and fun in that order.

We also have to address the very real possibility that something may go wrong during the climb. To that end, the climb may be restricted due to a "worse case scenario'" as if in a climber falls out there or slips of there we will not get to him or her quickly or he or she will smack the trunk. This is not defeatism, but a realistic look at the GAME we are playing.

Put on top of all this the health of the tree and as I hope you understand the decisions made are not trivial nor subjective.

The final detail I will discuss is the first station. Yes, it was a "give me station." But not without reason. I will start my explanation from the design standpoint. First the structure of the tree was limiting. There were only so many climb options. Do not forget we have to get climbers into the tree and ready to go. This occupies about 1/2 to 1/3 of the available "climbable" tree space.

From a safety standpoint, I like to set up a "easy" first station to evaluate a climber. One of the jobs as tech in the tree is to make sure the climber is able to safely climb. I make eye contact, ask questions, evaluate physical movement, check coordination, look for signs of fatigue, heat stress, nerves. I do much of this as the climber ties in. The act of climbing to the first station serves as a litmus test. I keep it close and easy. In my experience, if something is going to go wrong due to a physical issue with the individual climber, it will go wrong early. I plan the climb that way.

Having said all that, the 2104 Work Climb first station was easy. The structure issues already mention played a part. Also the rain the night before, as well as constant weighting of the T.I.P caused the slings that held the DMM hub that was the T.I.P to stretch. In effect, the T.I.P got about 4-6 inches lower on competition day than the set up day before. By the time I realized it it was too late to fix. There were other things I could have done to prevent a "lean back and ring" I choose not too. I choose to let climber's climb and not change mid event. This was my decision and mine alone. In retrospect, I would have moved the bell out on set up and used a more appropriate cordage to secure the T.I.P.

If this seriously affected any one's climb for the better or the worse, then I sincerely apologize. I shall not make the same mistake again.

It is my honest hope that these explanations have educated and informed. There is always room for improvement. I look forward to the day when I can construct the perfect work climb at ITCC. I will then follow in the foot steps of NFL great Barry Sanders' and leave the game at the top of mine! Until then I shall do the best with what I have been given. I shall continue to learn. Mostly I will continue to "pay forward" because the return on investment makes me and you better.

Respectfully,

Tony
 
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Thanks for the reply Tony. I hope it helps others get an idea of what goes on behind the scenes at the itcc. Don't take it personally. You know everyone wants to see "spectacular" and sometimes we can't. As a climber I would also love to see more movement required, but understand when this doesn't happen.
 
Thanks Mark. Believe me. Nothing personal taken here. I was trying to get fired this year! Just want those who may not know understand what goes into it all and why. We all just aim for the best climb possible within the environment and restriction present.

Tony
 

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