Little tricks

[*useless info*]

From gymnastics i had this whole internalized concept of ushering force thru different pathways of body and other devices to capitalize on different effected returns...
Since a teen, i had a number of separate power tricks to keep up with bigger guys(everyone else!).
Sitting in DdRT years later; helped me define them as all the same concept over and over tho!
Once distilled this pivotal concept out from the different applications, could then drop it into spice up recipe of other things. GAME ON!
Also a few pivotal concepts are easier to remember,but then control so much more!
>>so i don't ache to remember a pile of usages, just the bare principle if i can connive the shituation into a usable pattern for these concepts.
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Pulling self up in DdRT applies effort + equal/opposite reaction of effort against bodyweight
>>for 2xEffort against bodyweight. In old B&W movies might see as a 'dumb waiter' or similar in Tarzan jungles etc.!
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But setting bodyweight against load, then enforcing the same 2xEffort against load takes this a step further; and is what i was doing all along!
It can also make a 5x effort rig an8xEffort + 5xBodyweight just by placing self in scenario differently!!!
Can hold 'purchase' of tension in rig with the 2xEffort part of input, then then IMPACT with bodyweight!
In climbing/rigging can get 1xEffort inserted between load and support frictions!
>>then back that up with 1xEffort + bodyweight after frictions
>>can make a big difference especially when using leg instead of arm for effort input into system
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All you need is a 1st class lever position of pivot between input and output.
1st class lever simply means input/output move in different directions.
>>Because pivot is between input/output like see saw, or pulley hanging from branch.
So if bodyweight force wrong direction to set against load
>>reverse direction of bodyweight to then pull on load by 1st class lever
set effort to pull on both sides of pivot for 2xEffort
>>your effort + it's promised equal and opposite.
Essentially can picture instead using a see-saw as a lever to lift
>>sit on 1side and lift loaded side>>directly gives 1x against load
and see saw feeds bodyweight and equal/opposite of effort from your side to pull against load also.
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In the above picture, the 3 bottom examples:
note how the red/blue gloves move opposite directions
AND CENTER OF CIRCLE OF 4WAY, SPAR, LOG IS THE NEEDED PIVOT!
Can find CoG as pivot and load in similar scenarios
Can see martial arts moves similarily in this...
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No real magic tho, just conservation of all forces to fold back against target
especially by using bodyweight and equal and opposite of effort that always exist, but seldom employed so!
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Can also 'inset' a pulley system inside of another so that the inner system doesn't pull on an anchor on 1 end first,but rather make that usual 'waste' of force pull into the system also.
'CONSERVING' the usual 'wasted' equal and opposite reaction and putting it to work on target!
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i think that is exactly what unspokenly was said here in this old drawing:

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Note how the upside down 2:1 rig on the 5:1 would compound to 10:1 ;
BUT placing that high friction hitch to pull in the system instantly makes this a 13:1 !
W/O ADDING FRICTIONS ! Tapping free force that was always there!
Making forces that usually pull outside system to anchor
>>instead fold back into conserve those forces into system against load.
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BUT: hang on blue arrow
pull up on blue circle
Gives 4xEffort at each end of smaller now 'inset' rig
+3xBodyweight to top of smaller rig
+2xBodyweight to bottom of smaller rig
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So we feed 4xEffort + 2xBodyweight to bottom of smaller rig into the 5:1 !!
it is then joined at the top by 4xEffort +3xBodyweight to top of smaller rig
Gives: 20xEffort + 4xEffort = 24xEffort
then 10xBodyweight +3xBodyweight = 13xBodyweight
TOTAL: 24xEffort + 13xBodyweight
>>Careful, we can easily 'break shit' now!!!!
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Instead of 2x5xEffort If pull blue and friction hitch tied off at some anchor point like usual !
Far cry from 10xEffort, or even the 13x effort
By different 'gymnastics' of positioning !
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With this basic concept, and the swig/sweat concept, very powerful things are possible were others see none; in minimalist of tools added to scenario that we are surrounded by daily
ABoK Glosarry:SWIG, SWIGGING OFF: To pull on the center of a taut rope at right angles to the fall, and to give the slack so gained to the man at the pin.
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ABoKLesson#3172. Swig blocks have no shivs and are used to set up on the lashings of a whaleboat on the cranes. They resemble snatch blocks without shivs.
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Climber using own body to conduct equal and opposite of rope pretension effort to pull on load before support frictions, is it's own sweet prize too!
>>especially when that is a climber's leg force!
Using force in 2 parts of bodyweight and efforts
>>and using 1 part to hold target at tension, and impact with other force (bodyweight or effort) very helpful also!

 

[RBJtree]

From gymnastics i had this whole internalized concept of ushering force thru different pathways of body and other devices to capitalize on different effected returns...
Since a teen, i had a number of separate power tricks to keep up with bigger guys(everyone else!).
Sitting in DdRT years later; helped me define them as all the same concept over and over tho!
Once distilled this pivotal concept out from the different applications, could then drop it into spice up recipe of other things. GAME ON!
Also a few pivotal concepts are easier to remember,but then control so much more!
>>so i don't ache to remember a pile of usages, just the bare principle if i can connive the shituation into a usable pattern for these concepts.
.
Pulling self up in DdRT applies effort + equal/opposite reaction of effort against bodyweight
>>for 2xEffort against bodyweight. In old B&W movies might see as a 'dumb waiter' or similar in Tarzan jungles etc.!
.
But setting bodyweight against load, then enforcing the same 2xEffort against load takes this a step further; and is what i was doing all along!
It can also make a 5x effort rig an8xEffort + 5xBodyweight just by placing self in scenario differently!!!
Can hold 'purchase' of tension in rig with the 2xEffort part of input, then then IMPACT with bodyweight!
In climbing/rigging can get 1xEffort inserted between load and support frictions!
>>then back that up with 1xEffort + bodyweight after frictions
>>can make a big difference especially when using leg instead of arm for effort input into system
.

.
All you need is a 1st class lever position of pivot between input and output.
1st class lever simply means input/output move in different directions.
>>Because pivot is between input/output like see saw, or pulley hanging from branch.
So if bodyweight force wrong direction to set against load
>>reverse direction of bodyweight to then pull on load by 1st class lever
set effort to pull on both sides of pivot for 2xEffort
>>your effort + it's promised equal and opposite.
Essentially can picture instead using a see-saw as a lever to lift
>>sit on 1side and lift loaded side>>directly gives 1x against load
and see saw feeds bodyweight and equal/opposite of effort from your side to pull against load also.
.
In the above picture, the 3 bottom examples:
note how the red/blue gloves move opposite directions
AND CENTER OF CIRCLE OF 4WAY, SPAR, LOG IS THE NEEDED PIVOT!
Can find CoG as pivot and load in similar scenarios
Can see martial arts moves similarily in this...
.
No real magic tho, just conservation of all forces to fold back against target
especially by using bodyweight and equal and opposite of effort that always exist, but seldom employed so!
.
Can also 'inset' a pulley system inside of another so that the inner system doesn't pull on an anchor on 1 end first,but rather make that usual 'waste' of force pull into the system also.
'CONSERVING' the usual 'wasted' equal and opposite reaction and putting it to work on target!
.
i think that is exactly what unspokenly was said here in this old drawing:

.
Note how the upside down 2:1 rig on the 5:1 would compound to 10:1 ;
BUT placing that high friction hitch to pull in the system instantly makes this a 13:1 !
W/O ADDING FRICTIONS ! Tapping free force that was always there!
Making forces that usually pull outside system to anchor
>>instead fold back into conserve those forces into system against load.
.
BUT: hang on blue arrow
pull up on blue circle
Gives 4xEffort at each end of smaller now 'inset' rig
+3xBodyweight to top of smaller rig
+2xBodyweight to bottom of smaller rig
.
So we feed 4xEffort + 2xBodyweight to bottom of smaller rig into the 5:1 !!
it is then joined at the top by 4xEffort +3xBodyweight to top of smaller rig
Gives: 20xEffort + 4xEffort = 24xEffort
then 10xBodyweight +3xBodyweight = 13xBodyweight
TOTAL: 24xEffort + 13xBodyweight
>>Careful, we can easily 'break shit' now!!!!
.
Instead of 2x5xEffort If pull blue and friction hitch tied off at some anchor point like usual !
Far cry from 10xEffort, or even the 13x effort
By different 'gymnastics' of positioning !
.
With this basic concept, and the swig/sweat concept, very powerful things are possible were others see none; in minimalist of tools added to scenario that we are surrounded by daily
ABoK Glosarry:SWIG, SWIGGING OFF: To pull on the center of a taut rope at right angles to the fall, and to give the slack so gained to the man at the pin.
.
ABoKLesson#3172. Swig blocks have no shivs and are used to set up on the lashings of a whaleboat on the cranes. They resemble snatch blocks without shivs.
.
Climber using own body to conduct equal and opposite of rope pretension effort to pull on load before support frictions, is it's own sweet prize too!
>>especially when that is a climber's leg force!
Using force in 2 parts of bodyweight and efforts
>>and using 1 part to hold target at tension, and impact with other force (bodyweight or effort) very helpful also!

So how much can you lift bro?

 

[*useless info*]

hmmmmmmm i'd imagine same as everyone else hear,
not as much as i'd like,and somedays less!
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Actually now over 60, not much; except what i can trick!
>>Many times route weight/force around back, like force is positive charge seeking ground
>>only way item doesn't fall to ground to satiate by
pro-viding electrical like pathway of enough strength to ground to stabilize 'charge'
>>so route force to ground trying to steer around back
but that is a different story(somewhat)!
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Seriously tho,
this is just about seeing present forces to capitalize on;
sometimes w/o other tools or frictions;
even looks like doing same thing as guy next to ya that is working harder for less...
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These methods to me are just following the same rules, closer than would expect!
Playing them backwards and upside down,compounding rules on own selves!
As like a Chinese Windlass/ differential:

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Key here is a standard windlass would need 80" diameter to get 40X from 2" drum
>>By going backwards they super-compounded forwards!!
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While the standard thought process outside the Orient for subsequent centuries was always bigger for more/very 'linear' thought process/strategy:
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Fisherman:Shore Capstan >>can tail off the drum
for as drum fills to a 2nd, 3rd rows of wraps over previous row of windings:
so output speed increases>> so output power decreases
(ratio of input/output change as output drum + row of wraps is now 2xRope diameter thicker drum per row of turns)

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squirrel cage windlass crane: extra wheel for helper and balanced forces thru inner drum

(fyi: tourniquet w/stick crank is Spanish Windlass)
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Supposedly Egyptian Cranes where not squirrel cages, just huge lever ballasts
>>imagine what they coulda done with this info!
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Power to the Tree Folks!
Sometimes your imagination is the limitation;
not seeing what nature offers!
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This work is hard enough ;
don't need to overload gear or self with extra forces for same job;
if can simply align correctly, to reduce loading/effort
>>thus increasing 'cycles to failure' of gear and SELF!
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say again: "Nature, to be commanded, must be obeyed" -Sir Francis Beacon

 

[RBJtree]

I like that Chinese windlass.

 

[jmaher]

I've had a stuck throw ball, and reloaded big shot with another throw ball with first line going through eye of second throwball....fire it off and it Can lift first throw ball out of stuck position.

Doooooooope. That one is going in the ol' bag of tricks.

 

[Chaplain242]

Whilst on the topic of windlasses, another trick to use whilst winching in logs/trees in to the chipper when the trunks are bent or twisted is to wrap the winch line down the trunk before cinching so that as trunk is being winched the tree/log will roll according to the spiral wrap the winch line makes down the trunk. Saves a hell of a lot of heavy lifting or cutting when the butt of the log cant be pushed into the rollers by hand, and straight winching catches the butt on the feed tray, and can be done even if no loader is on site...

 

[Tom Dunlap]

This chatter about winches and windlasses seems like a perfect time to bring in chanty. Tow trucks, boats and airplanes, Steve Goodman gets them all

 

[southsoundtree]

Whilst on the topic of windlasses, another trick to use whilst winching in logs/trees in to the chipper when the trunks are bent or twisted is to wrap the winch line down the trunk before cinching so that as trunk is being winched the tree/log will roll according to the spiral wrap the winch line makes down the trunk. Saves a hell of a lot of heavy lifting or cutting when the butt of the log cant be pushed into the rollers by hand, and straight winching catches the butt on the feed tray, and can be done even if no loader is on site...

Cable and rope chokers can be set to induce a roll in logs, as well.

 

[*useless info*]

Figured I'd add this windlass innovation here .
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Very nice raw redneck power, nice reverse solution
of large log length arc input into much smaller log diameter to concentrate effort input into smallest output movement
>>for greatest power return from 2x crank arm length input position from axle ÷ axle(spooler) diameter
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Usually do this kinda winch, as more vertical, Spanish Windlass perhaps capstan models.
>>Plenty of larger arc input all the way around.
But Horizontal Winch of same design runs larger input arc dead stop into ground
>>but then flip/flop center axle, to reverse input direction AND KEEP OUTPUT DIRECTION as solution!!
Also, power of wraps and turns on the 'drum' to leverage against tightness, prusic safety, real ods-cool seen this shown between saplings w/o side stakes(as option)
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i specifically do not favor knot (~2:30-3:30) he calls Constrictor(??), not to frame (but probably has tow pkg. to bumper anyway but still prefer to frame round screw link forever kept in favorable hole usually for strong rounded face mount) but then to that thin, sharp/squared hole
>>thought he was going for Adjustable Hitch (very favorable) but still prefer pulling on round face, direct to frame (at least to start thinking.
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It has also been suggested a recoil trap in case line breaks (sorry i missed that) would prefer at least plastic tarp or light branch; anything that can confound a recoil some.
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i learned can to can't as what about a working farmer going from when can see, until couldn't.
>>Then sometimes feeding, before/after
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Later personally became this line that defined if could win or not inside, and what thing (to then focus on) made all the difference.
>>Sometimes even handicapping self or overloading past normal to put self in that maze and see what it takes to get out etc.
>>keeping up with biggers was part of it always and all ways; sometimes even then showing them how to move and do better.
With imagery of strength of weaker is a more sensitive device to read and tune by, than one that can just overcome! Bigger tries to bulldawg every wall and win as always has, smaller looks to finesse, align, ballast and slip out after aligning windows as has always done.
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Systems with fewest parts lends best to this of course>>As they even alone can show and highlight fail points already easiest etc.
>>to me, this is one of those of minimal parts, real raw power display, ingenious reverse etc. Illustrating in very few parts, what every similar system needs, and a very smart solution, safetys etc.

 

[Dave tettleton]

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The sidewedges become the pivot rather than the hinge.
The forward angle of tree weight/length is the leverage.

I've sort of been doing that except I use the end of cut , after half way through as teeter tottet or pivot. Stop after half way through and come from other side till almost through. Tiny ridge provides the teeter. I am thinking am liking the wedge tho, because no need to come from other side.

 

[southsoundtree]

Not the age, it's the miles... Your odometer is running.

 

[southsoundtree]

Not the age, it's the miles... Your odometer is running.

 

[CanadianStan]

Not the age, it's the miles... Your odometer is running.

It also depends on whether or not you take good care of the vessel ... suspension, oil changes, fuel, coolant ...