Liberalism ruins everything it touches.

These people want government control when it suits them but with other issues like guns or enviroment protection regs they are hands off, " dont tread on me". Blatant hyocrisy. These people are trying to define freedom as you can do anything you want, as long as we agree with it.
 
OrganicApproach said:
It strikes me that many here share similar core values, love for family, nature, good food and health and wealth for all that work hard for their keep. Tree workers have long comprised a special core class of "good people" that this country should be proud to have. The critical conversation is good, because it keeps our saws sharp- but like a bundle of sticks we're all stronger together.

Find the common ground. Get back to the root of the matter. Our systems are broken. We need our best and brightest from all sides to come together if there is to be a future for the seeds we sow in this land.
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Thanks for writing.
These topical issues are paraded out, like cards in the hand of a manipulating political machine, to poke into sensitive places within the public emotional-psychology, rile everyone, sow division, and "watch what the other hand is doing", while the next trick is being set up just around the corner.

I am amazed that folks expect any rights to come from a federal government which is clearly focused on protecting it's own.

Our rights come directly from the Creator, our existence on this Earth alone is our ticket to be equally respected among all other forms of life.

I wish we would speak in terms of principles, hopes, actual vision for a reality of our design.
We are here in the template of men and women with the power to change our environment, to create, to love and to live.

wasting brain power digesting the latest hubbub around a so-called govt. power-tripping, pretending it can "Give or take away" the rights that are yours by birth... leave me out of that nonsense.

A sample of "Maxims of Law" which were present in American Jurisprudence before the replacement of original independent State government with a corporate federal overlay...

"My rights end where yours begin."
  • It is a fault to meddle with what does not belong to or does not concern you.
  • Many men know many things, no one knows everything.
  • He who questions well, learns well.
  • Human things never prosper when divine things are neglected.
  • The power which is derived cannot be greater than that from which it is derived.
  • Human laws are born, live and die.
  • Legality is not reality
    • Necessity overrules the law.
    • Necessity makes that lawful which otherwise is not lawful.

and in speaking of the Federal United States:
+ Whatever is once bad, is presumed to be so always in the same degree.
  • You ought to know with whom you deal.
 
Women can choose not to spread their legs.

We all know than men have never pushed the issue.

We all know that EVER man hears No the very first time.



Quick question for pro-birthers, how many adopted children do you have? Please post the answer
in your responses. Definitely, this question won't be ducked.
 
Surely, anyone against abortion is very in favor of education, contraception, and supporting single parents who are not capable of raising a child without social support. Right?


Otherwise, you are shooting yourself in the foot.


Next it will be a story about babies being A gift from god.

When immaculate conceptions start happening, I will admit my mistakes, my ignorance, and my condemnation of people trying to control others because they think they are supporting the great and powerful Oz.
 
worldpopulationreview.com

Teen Pregnancy Rates by State 2026

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So last I checked, about half of teens aren't trusted to drive a vehicle.

No teens are trusted with alcohol.

Most teens are not allowed to own guns or vote or be out later than curfew laws allow.

Most teens can not own personal property or real estate.



Seems like exactly who you want being a poor, unprepared parent.

Genius!!
 
climbhightree said:
They have a right to not spread their legs. If they choose to do that and get pregnant, then no they don't have the right to destroy another human life. There are tons of other options if they don't want to raise a kid.
Plus they have the right to travel to another state or country to get it done...unless covid is on the attack.

And before you say rape. Abortions due to rape is a slim percentage of the total abortions.

You all didn't want to respect my body during covid, and that didn't effect an innocent young life that had no voice or say.
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There are many reasons for abortions. Obviously I have the wrong parts to speak from first hand experience but I can speak from a intimate position. No one wants an abortion, it’s not getting a ice cream cone, where one wakes up and goes “yay let’s go get an abortion, it will be fun, I always wanted to try that”..

I can tell from your post that you have your view point and that won’t change. And I know have my point of view on your humanity.

Your comment on keeping one’s legs closed is telling, and outrageous
 
evo said:
Nahh, it’s not my place to remove rights, but I’m sure as hell going to support a woman’s right to make their own choices vocally! And stand by their side
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I should have quoted the above with my last comment. ...

What about taking away rights from a human in the womb?


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CHTjules said:
I should have quoted the above with my last comment. ...

What about taking away rights from a human in the womb?


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I’m not one to make this judgement call as I’m not the one physically capable of giving birth. However this argument is weak, we are not talking about cutting fully developed babies out of their mothers and bashing their soft heads in. Should there be a medical exemption for late term abortions? Hell yes!
Without looking up all the data, I feel confident in stating 30% of pregnancies don’t naturally go beyond the first trimester. Is there a ethical line? Maybe but I’m not one to decide when the development cut off is. A month is way too short and 8 months is way too long.
 
evo said:
I’m not one to make this judgement call as I’m not the one physically capable of giving birth. However this argument is weak, we are not talking about cutting fully developed babies out of their mothers and bashing their soft heads in. Should there be a medical exemption for late term abortions? Hell yes!
Without looking up all the data, I feel confident in stating 30% of pregnancies don’t naturally go beyond the first trimester. Is there a ethical line? Maybe but I’m not one to decide when the development cut off is. A month is way too short and 8 months is way too long.
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So a woman's right to choose to have their unborn child murdered supercedes the right to life of the human in the womb only if the human is murdered before a certain length of time it has been in the womb? Am I interpreting what you are trying to say correctly? If I'm not, please let me know.
 
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Nope and here you are trying to manipulate my words. It not my place to decide when life starts, that is beyond any humans judgement.
Personally in my own view point if one were to make a cut off line, there is a huge difference when the fetus is able to sustain its own life outside of the uterus. BUT my personal thoughts are irrelevant as well as yours (assuming you don’t have a uterus).
If you feel so strongly on the matter I suggest volunteering your body to carry the fertilized egg to term your self.
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So a woman's right to choose to have their unborn child murdered supercedes the right to life of the human in the womb only if the human is murdered before a certain length of time it has been in the womb? Am I interpreting what you are trying to say correctly? If I'm not, please let me know.
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rico said:
yet you "care enough" to remove the constitution right of a woman to choose what she does with her body...More hypocritical circular dishonest bullshit from the mind of the American Taliban.
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The 14th Amendment does not protect the right to an abortion. The SCOTUS Initial Draft by Justice Samuel Alito explains. I'd encourage you to read it.
 
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evo said:
Nope and here you are trying to manipulate my words. It not my place to decide when life starts, that is beyond any humans judgement.
Personally in my own view point if one were to make a cut off line, there is a huge difference when the fetus is able to sustain its own life outside of the uterus. BUT my personal thoughts are irrelevant as well as yours (assuming you don’t have a uterus).
If you feel so strongly on the matter I suggest volunteering your body to carry the fertilized egg to term your self.
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I do have a uterus, and therefore have the ability to carry a fertilized egg to term myself.
 
evo said:
I apologize, some of the wording wasn’t clear to me.
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Apology accepted.

Worded another way, perhaps: whose right is greater, a woman's (my) "right" to choose to murder her (my) unborn child, or her (my) unborn child's right to not be murdered in the (my) womb.

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@CHTjules , what are your thoughts on ectopic pregnancies, obviously the fetus will not be viable and there is a significant risk of life threatening hemorrhage for the mother, is this an acceptable time for an abortion?
 
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