Largest Calving Event Ever Recorded on film

That I believe is at the headland of Jacobs Haven, Greenland.

Beautiful Place to visit, I have never seen icebergs move so fast.
 
There's no such thing as global warming! That ice is just turning over because it's looking for the cooler side of the pillow!

Seriously though, it's both pretty and pretty disappointing. I live just south of Boston and in the last 2 years it's hardly snowed... it's going to be 60 here today too.

Pretty soon they're going to have to adjust planting zones..
 
"The miracle and horror..."

Last night I watched David Attenborough for a while. There was a clip of him from 35 years ago with a spewing volcano behind. The feeling I got last night was the same as what I got watching the calving...except, I was sweating last night, now, I was chilled.

Does anyone know how old the water in that ice is?

There have been huge ice flows breaking off of the Antarctic ice shield.
 
I don't think the issue is whether it's real, but whether man is causing it, and therefore whether we can stop it. I'm skeptical of the first question, and literally laugh at the second.

First, who determines what is "normal" temperature? Maybe we've been living in an abnormally cool era for recorded human history, and a slight warmup is underway. The planet changes with or without us. Example: earth has seen at least 5 major ice ages (at least according to Wikipedia, the source of all reliable knowledge), going back 2.4 BILLION years. After each, presumably, earth warmed up- a LOT. Why? It sure as shinola wasn't my Tahoe or coal burning doing it. Maybe atmospheric changes, maybe solar cycles...even the "experts" have no idea.

Add to that the fact that reliable thermometry has only been around for about 150 years, and thermometry to within a fraction of one degree has been around for far less time than that. How the heck do we know with that degree of specificity what the temps were hundreds, thousands, or billions of years ago? Ice samples? Rock formations? Come on....

As far as stopping it (assuming we're causing it), America is a grain of sand on the beach of worldwide coal fired energy production. China alone TOWERS over us: Ecopolitology. Also, for every American Prius owner, there are probably 5000 newly middle class Chinese and Indian car purchasers. And those cars aint running on batteries. Who can blame them? They just want what we have.

Side note: Prius owners do know that electricity doesn't grow in jelly bean fields, right? Gotta burn coal to charge those batteries, which themselves come from an environmentally dubious nickel plant in Sudbury, Ontario, and then go via freighter to a European refinery, then China, Japan and the U.S. Making the Prius more environmentally harmful to produce and own over its average lifespan than a Hummer H2. (If you bought a Prius strictly for mileage reasons, then my point is moot...although it takes the average driver 60 months to recoup the upfront expense).

I say we look at the bright side...if it warms up enough we'll have a year round growing season for trees and we'll all be rich.

Anyway, the video was awesome. The scale was impossible to appreciate, even while seeing it before my eyes. Which underscores my point that humans tend to have an inflated opinion of themselves and their abilities. We think we can stop THAT?

For the record, I have no beef with Prius owners. (If you own 2, do you have Prii?)
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Bucknut, I feel you on wether we can stop it but the fact it's man made seems clear as day. I don't see how we could have a billion cars with 1000 degree engines, factories burning day and night, Ac, even light bulbs. We have billions and billions of heaters lit and burning and warming up the house. We were not doing that a hundred years ago. We keep firing up more heaters every day. We got a lot of fires burning. How could you expect the temp of our house not to rise? Ever had to drag brush by an outdoor central Ac unit on a hot day? Where does that heat go. It's annoying to me when people talk about greenhouse gasses it seems to dissociate the fire from the heat.
 
The record for environmental data isn't recorded by thermometers and other man-made tools.

There are a myriad of scientific tools that can be used. Analyzing the air captured in ice-bubbles in Antarctica and Greenland, dendrochronolgy, spore layers in mudfields...the list goes on. In every study that I've ever seen the spike in the data starts at the Industrial Revolution.

Oh, I do understand about ice ages. But, looking at the geologic record they sure didn't start and stop as abruptly as what we're witnessing now.

The Earth can dampen or absorb a lot of change, but, at some point it will be overwhelmed. Are we living in the Pre-Overwhelment Era now?
 
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Bucknut, I feel you on wether we can stop it but the fact it's man made seems clear as day. I don't see how we could have a billion cars with 1000 degree engines, factories burning day and night, Ac, even light bulbs. We have billions and billions of heaters lit and burning and warming up the house. We were not doing that a hundred years ago. We keep firing up more heaters every day. We got a lot of fires burning. How could you expect the temp of our house not to rise? Ever had to drag brush by an outdoor central Ac unit on a hot day? Where does that heat go. It's annoying to me when people talk about greenhouse gasses it seems to dissociate the fire from the heat.

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I am all over that. Exactly my thinking on planet warming. To add to the list cities with these mirrored buildings, concrete, blacktop and a lack of canopy. I am always going around turning off lights and thinking of ways to cut down on power use. To me saving the planet starts right at ones finger tips. turn off the lights and be conscious of your own waste. This would be a good beginning to setting this global thing right.
 
Thing of any species on the planet that lacks a control on it's growth. They tax their environment until it's stripped of the resources that particular species subsists on. At that point the species population collapses and their environment begins the slow process of rebuilding. We have observed this with the ecosystems of small populations that have a limited range. What we are witnessing is that same thing happening within our ecosystem. it just so happens to be the whole planet. We contribute in a significant way but then nature takes over as we unleash it's potential.

Sad state of affairs when we'll debate it to death literally...
 

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