Just finished a climbing course over the weekend

Jorgon1022 said:
What about the men that gave me encouragement and great advice? Do their opinions not count because they don't adjust to your pre conceived notions?
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As I said go reread buddy. I am one of those men that offered my advice and encouragement, as well as some of the men I have listed.

My pre conceived notions? Are those the ones that took 40 years of working in the woods to form?

Funny but I don't recall ever telling you to quite, or predicting or wishing you fail, and in fact did just the opposite. What many here did was tell you that your plan was deeply flawed and you were going to get yourself hurt, and destroy peoples valuable trees and property. All because the tree biz "caught your eye", yet you had zero experience with either the climbing end of the biz, or the business end of the tree work biz. Go hire a pro climber, pay and treat him well. Go work for a legit pro outfit for a few years. Go buy an already functioning reputable tree service and walk into the management of it. All solid doable ideas that deserved a "thank you" instead of your attitude. Your welcome son.
 
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Phoenix said:
( taken from excerpts of arboriculture folklore, and in response to Rico’s shitting from tree story)
Once, many years ago in the deep dark woods of der schwartzwald, there was a man of Great climbing prowess who carried with him, his own ground crew ( of whom, some, doubled as his minstrel team) on his back. This hero, of sorts, would travel from town to town displaying all various array of technique and theatrics unparalleled by man or ape alike. On one such occasion, the great mystic(for he also was master in matters of the human spirit) boasted to the gathering crowd, “today you shall witness something never seen, something truly amazing! Today!( brief pause for effect)you will witness true devotion... Ladies and gentlemen, I now produce for you,(another pause for effect)The Super Perfect!!!” (smattering oohs and ahhs throughout thevstill gathering crowd) Our hero, quickly and without hesitation donns his
harness and is very soon ascending, seemingly straight into the heavens. It is at this point that the humble ground slaves create a circle beneath the silhouetted manchrist! Suddenly, there is a sound like thunder, and directly following, a large lump of shit is hurling toward earth. The slaves, bodge,jostle, and bump one another in an attempt to achieve the unspeakable feat! With outstretched throats the slaves careen this way and that. In the last moment, one slave, leaps with such grace as to snatch away the coveted prize from his brethren. He shall be the next! He to shall some day command his crew to ready! The Super Perfect! You too humble groundslaves and aspiring climbers, shall one day rinse the the fetid shit taste from your mouth and rise to glory!! Long live the climber!!
Amen
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For the Phoenix speaketh from The Great Tome of Scheisse.
 
rico said:
As I said go reread buddy. I am one of those men that offered my advice and encouragement, as well as some of the men I have listed.

My pre conceived notions? Are those the ones that took 40 years of working in the woods to form?

Funny but I don't recall ever telling you to quite, or predicting or wishing you fail, and in fact did just the opposite. What many here did was tell you that your plan was deeply flawed and you were going to get yourself hurt, and destroy peoples valuable trees and property. All because the tree biz "caught your eye", yet you had zero experience with either the climbing end of the biz, or the business end of the tree work biz. Go hire a pro climber, pay and treat him well. Go work for a legit pro outfit for a few years. Go buy an already functioning reputable tree service and walk into the management of it. All solid doable ideas that deserved a "thank you" instead of your attitude. Your welcome son.
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@rico , fair enough. I am sorry that I offended you. Ill do my best to not talk shit. Hope you do the same.

In regards to the suggestions given, I guess im just not clear on a couple of things.
  1. Go hire a pro climber, pay and treat him well.
    I did this. However, some people said that this was stupid as I wouldn't know what to look for in a good climber. Some people said that I did good for hiring someone. So how do I know who to listen to?
  2. Climbing Trees
    Some people as experienced as you have told me that I dont need to know ground work. It helps and its a way of paying your dues but I have been told its not necessary.
  3. You can learn more from a good trainer over 3 days than from a bad climber in one year.
    I agree with this, I really do. Based off what tree guys have told me, they hire people all the time with a lot of 'experience' who think they know their shit, yet are just as lost. This confirms that just because you have years in the industry, doesn't mean you know shit if you were taught incorrectly. The course I took is credible based off the research I did and I believe it will help.
Whatever the case may be, im trying to absorb as much as I can. My instructor told me that I am not ready to climb with a chainsaw. But to try to climb 15-25 feet, get comfortable doing this and build from that. Its baby steps right?

Look at it from my perspective. I have people with the same experience as you tell me one thing, and you tell me another. You both are as experienced, yet its conflicting information right?

Thank you sir. Again, apologies if I offended you.
 
Jorgon1022 said:
I will also tell you that there were instructors in that class that have real world experience, as much if not more than you do.

And their attitude was totally different than yours bro. Again, take that as you will. I guess it's a good thing you aren't an instructor.
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You really are missing the importance of what is happening, what is bein shared here.
The instructors are paid to be encouraging, you paid them, do what you gotta do, but the truth is rico and others are being honest with you.
I am back to my original thought of you. TROLL. Wespur minion? or just a FOOL
 
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The creator of Beavis and Butthead lived near the Bay Area back in the day.. Mike was a bass player and my little brother played guitar in a band with him in the 80's. I meet Mike a few times and he seemed to be a pretty chill dude. I believe he got a job offer to work with Anson Funderburg and the Rockets out of Dallas/Houston so he moved to Texas. I imagine thats where he got his ideas for the King of the Hill. Mike certainly ended up doing very well for himself.
 
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I’m new here. Been a member for a while but never posted until recently. Thought I would throw in my useless two cents on this anyways. Not trying to pile on.

I’m fairly proficient with a saw......on the ground. I’m pretty decent with one in a bucket too. I’ve been doing tree work for about 7/8 years. I’ve felled countless trees using different methods, cleaned up a lot of storm damage, pruned, worked with trees in some pretty hairy situations. I conduct trainings on saw safety and other arborcultural trainings. Im pretty familiar with the Z and most BPM’s in our industry. I regularly conduct tree risk assessments. I can identify pests, common fungus, decay and recognize desirable or undesirable growth patterns/traits in trees. I have a bunch of certs and licenses, cdl and can run a bunch of equipment rather well. I’m not green but am not a seasoned pro either. I’m still learning and will continue to better myself.

I only know some very basic rigging. I just recently started climbing to conduct inspections.

I say all of this because I would never go out and attempt to try to do what I can with a saw on ground while on a rope. I’m nowhere near that level of confidence because I would need years climbing to go along with the years of experience I already have.

And the thing about this industry is most people want to share their knowledge and passion. Training opportunities are exceptional if you seek them out. And the trainers are going to be great, for the most part. But those same guys are likely going to be a lot different if you show up on their job site with even the slightest bit of attitude or entitlement.
 
RopeShield said:
You really are missing the importance of what is happening, what is bein shared here.
The instructors are paid to be encouraging, you paid them, do what you gotta do, but the truth is rico and others are being honest with you.
I am back to my original thought of you. TROLL. Wespur minion? or just a FOOL
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Leroy said:
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rico said:
If you pay me enough Leroy, I will tell you anything you want to here. Anything!!!
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That logic though :LOL::LOL:
 
rico said:
The creator of Beavis and Butthead lived in Saratoga near the Bay Area back in the day.. Mike was a bass player and my little brother played guitar in a band with him in the 80's. I meet Mike a few times and he seemed to be a pretty chill dude. I believe he got a job offer to work with Anson Funderburg and the Rockets out of Dallas/Houston so he moved to Texas. I imagine thats where he got his ideas for the King of the Hill. Mike certainly ended up doing very well for himself.
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That's crazy. He is a very clever and funny individual.
 
Well back to regular programming. Well swing is finally at a loss for words.... Erik hit a bunch of nails on the head. It rattled a cage and smoke and dust settled. Let us see how this pans out. Ball in greenhorn's court.
 
Ent said:
My advice would be quit seeking out attention on this forum. Go get a job. Learn. STFU. Be about that action boss. Move out your mama's basement. You aren't going to get what you're needing by chatting it up online.
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Great advice. I'll post back Saturday with pics and hopefully some video. Stay tuned.
 
rico said:
Can't argue with this Mr. Witty as I have learned more here in the last few years than I had in the prior decade or 2. The inter-web can be a valuable learning tool, but you have to have some sort of foundation to build upon. This guy seems so behind the curve that mansplaining how to climb, cut, and rig seems a little irresponsible. Zero climbing experience, zero cutting aloft experience, and zero rigging experience. What could possible go wrong? Dude needs to go get a fucking job with a pro outfit plain and simple.

"or driving a goddamn manual transmission". Got a funny visual of you in an empty parking lot in the middle of the night!
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These cutting principles don’t just apply to climbing. Can be used on ground too, or in ground rigging with pole saw. There is opportunity to learn without deadly trifecta of learning to climb whilst learning to rig or cut...
 
It is easy to label you Jorgon1022 as a troll since you not only bring questions but attitude with them. To paraphrase Rico you will likely get hammered on a worksite if you do the same there. Some of it is youth, some of it is trying to prove yourself, but it is undermining what you want to achieve.

The attitude just isn’t in your manner of asking questions (most are happily without cheekiness) but also in your appraisal of the industry and appraisal of business. That is what is already against you before the questions start. Add in some defensive comments and you are itching to start trouble, and that will trouble you wherever you try and assimilate to.

I have worked in some aggressive worksites where you have to watch your back and if you are focussing on some insult or grievance in the past, you won’t be watching where the hit will be coming from. Courage is strength, defensiveness is weakness, and some wolves will pick you out of a herd...Some people will disrespect you - are you going to take them all on?

I am telling you this so you can have a look in the mirror, become humble (the true definition of humble - not what most consider it to be) and make progress in this life which is a lot shorter than most realise, and make every moment count...

Rico and others here may bite a little, but you may not have realised the line you stepped over. I would apologise and reappraise situation.

I generally don’t preach on here unless the situation calls for it, and other youthfuls on Internet will be watching so maybe they can learn a thing or too as well. So the conversation is not wasted.

Stay safe, and prosper....
 
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