As far as your view of the value of death I cannot understand how you see it. It's not that I think you're wrong I just don't understand your view. Having lost a wife and a partner of almost 20 years and a son I never got to meet or touch him while he was living I fail to see any value that came from their deaths. Her life most absolutely. Maybe I can't see it because I'm too close. I've grown as a person and a father because of it. I have learned the mistakes I made with her and have learned to not be so selfish. I have learned to slow down and to enjoy life more. I can't really say I am enjoying life more but I understand the principal as too late as it is. The loss I feel and the fact my son has no mom to hug everyday takes away and possible value for me. It's a hard road even 3 years after her death, it's a hard road. It has gotten different and the hurt is not as fresh but it's still there. There is a gaping hole in the universe for Jack and I. It will never close. Every time he says he wishes he had baby john to play with that hole flashes with life like a power surge. That's not a positive thing for us. Again I don't think you are wrong Johnny. I just don't see it your way and that's fine with me. I value your opinion as you should value mine. We have all walked different paths in this world. One is not less valuable than another. Still good stuff from you. I would say, not really my place to say it, we are not against you or out to prove you wrong. This is a safe venue for expression. Don't be so defensive. Typed word is often misunderstood due to lack for facial expression and body language. Like Tuttle said it not always about the words but simply the message. Love is your message. My message is still unknown to me!