Jacking over a spar

[Tom Dunlap]

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[Matias]

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Somebody got to say "I told you so"... what does the fallout look like for a homeowner who pulls some shit like this? Does HO insurance cover this stupidity? I imagine that if they got co ered, they would have rates raised through the roof afterwards. Can other insurance companies see that you did some nonsense like this and refuse to cover you?

 

[Chris Schultz]

To my eyes at first glance this doesn’t necessarily look like a homeowners or an amateurs stump tho. The shaved bark, a humbolt face, and a jack…… maybe they went super deep on YouTube trainings if so.

 

[Matias]

To my eyes at first glance this doesn’t necessarily look like a homeowners or an amateurs stump tho. The shaved bark, a humbolt face, and a jack…… maybe they went super deep on YouTube trainings if so.

We all start somewhere right?

 

[Treemuel]

To my eyes at first glance this doesn’t necessarily look like a homeowners or an amateurs stump tho. The shaved bark, a humbolt face, and a jack…… maybe they went super deep on YouTube trainings if so.

Yeah, looks more like just enough experience to get in over their head and expected way too much out of a bottle jack. But maybe without that Dutchman they would have actually been ok.

 

[Matias]

Yeah, looks more like just enough experience to get in over their head and expected way too much out of a bottle jack. But maybe without that Dutchman they would have actually been ok.

is it still a dutchmen when it is most of the "hinge"?

 

[Treemuel]

is it still a dutchmen when it is most of the "hinge"?

Haha, yeah I call any bypass of the gunning or sloping cuts a Dutchman, even if it completely displaces the holding wood. When I first watched the video, I wondered if they were intentionally gutting the hinge from the face to try and get it to go, but probably not.

 

[Matias]

With a face cut that bad, I really wonder how they knew enough to shave it, and even to get the jack in there. It's an odd scene. I don't do facebook, but I would love to know more.

 

[27RMT0N]

I agree it looks like a 'professional' who saw just enough on YouTube about felling large trees to be very dangerous. Setting a high pull-line would have avoided this, I imagine, even with the terrible cutting.

 

[evo]

Always back up a jack. If your going through the effort of jacking take some extra precautions.

 

[Chris Schultz]

Always back up a jack. If you’re going through the effort of jacking take some extra precautions.

Good reminder. The shaved bark, and the humbolt face, really throw me……. but Im fairly confident that any feller (no pun intended) that would own a legitimate tree Jack, knows to back it up. Also pretty confident that a legitimate professional feller would not have allowed this to happen, under any circumstance….. I’m putting my money on the “my neighbor knows a guy”, or the “I used to cut trees like this all the time” homeowner. I wonder what goes through someone’s head, what their instinctual gut feels like when they’re about to initially lay their chain into a tree like that…… then I wonder, what those thoughts/emotions/words are when gravity takes the wheel……

 

[Treemuel]

From the size of the cutout, I was guessing they tried to do it with a regular bottle jack, rather than a tree jack

 

[Treezybreez]

My guess is that they thought that because the jack wasn’t pushing the tree in the right direction, they needed to cut more of the hinge until oops!

 

[Treezybreez]

Watched it again and it certainly looks like they screwed up the face cut big time. I hope no one was in the house at the time.

 

[Matias]

I am just beside myself with confusion. How did they think that it was ok to start with a face like that. That was the very first thing I figured out on my own, prior to reading or watching anything; that if it matters which way it goes, then you have to start with a good face cut. I had never even heard of using a jack until way after I had learned to fall a tree in the desired direction every time. I really hope a couple more details surface here, cuz I am curious.

 

[Treemuel]

I am just beside myself with confusion. How did they think that it was ok to start with a face like that. That was the very first thing I figured out on my own, prior to reading or watching anything; that if it matters which way it goes, then you have to start with a good face cut. I had never even heard of using a jack until way after I had learned to fall a tree in the desired direction every time. I really hope a couple more details surface here, cuz I am curious.

That's partly why I was wondering if they tried to bore out the hinge after the fact. It's odd that they used a Humboldt, shaved the bark, bored out a spot for the jack, and that their cuts were generally pretty level and lined up, and YET that had this awful dutchman... Something doesn't compute.

 

[Daniel]

That's partly why I was wondering if they tried to bore out the hinge after the fact. It's odd that they used a Humboldt, shaved the bark, bored out a spot for the jack, and that their cuts were generally pretty level and lined up, and YET that had this awful dutchman... Something doesn't compute.

They didn't try to bore the hinge. that was an unintentional dutchman caused by a short bar. They either didn't do a good job of checking for byapss in the face or there was sawdust filling the kerf bypass so they missed it. Both corners looked good, so they missed the bypass.

I had that happen to me once, on a traditional face cut. The bar was short so even after the tip of the bar on the bottom cut bypassed, after I walked around to finish the far corner of the face, it looked clean as the two cuts matched there. The bypass caused by overcutting started 4-6" back from the far edge, and got filled with sawdust, so the face looked like a clean cut.

Big Chestnut Oak spar went 45 degrees to the lay and landed right bewtween a nice new shed and one of the biggest and best looking dogwoods I've ever seen.. no damage, but only by the Grace of God. I took 246 pictures of the stump, and suspended operations until I figured out why... That's one of the reasons I favor the plate cut. Only takes about 20 seconds more than a perfectly matched face (which many wouldn't have the skill to pull off anyhow, so it can save time for those that have to fool around with face cut) and you get enough height to the fibers on the front of the hinge that you can't miss a bypass and even if there is a little bypass, it won't cause the hinge to seize, because there is room in the tall hinge fibers to flex and squish a little.

if that all makes sense.

ps.. ou could also use this caption for that vid: why not use a humboldt in suburban arboriculture. it's a lot easier to miss those bypass cuts on a humboldt.

 

[Treemuel]

They didn't try to bore the hinge. that was an unintentional dutchman caused by a short bar. They either didn't do a good job of checking for byapss in the face or there was sawdust filling the kerf bypass so they missed it. Both corners looked good, so they missed the bypass.

I had that happen to me once, on a traditional face cut. The bar was short so even after the tip of the bar on the bottom cut bypassed, after I walked around to finish the far corner of the face, it looked clean as the two cuts matched there. The bypass caused by overcutting started 4-6" back from the far edge, and got filled with sawdust, so the face looked like a clean cut.

Big Chestnut Oak spar went 45 degrees to the lay and landed right bewtween a nice new shed and one of the biggest and best looking dogwoods I've ever seen.. no damage, but only by the Grace of God. I took 246 pictures of the stump, and suspended operations until I figured out why... That's one of the reasons I favor the plate cut. Only takes about 20 seconds more than a perfectly matched face (which many wouldn't have the skill to pull off anyhow, so it can save time for those that have to fool around with face cut) and you get enough height to the fibers on the front of the hinge that you can't miss a bypass and even if there is a little bypass, it won't cause the hinge to seize, because there is room in the tall hinge fibers to flex and squish a little.

if that all makes sense.

ps.. ou could also use this caption for that vid: why not use a humboldt in suburban arboriculture. it's a lot easier to miss those bypass cuts on a humboldt.

Good explanation. That certainly makes sense about the Dutchman possibly being packed with sawdust

 

[rico]

Good explanation. That certainly makes sense about the Dutchman possibly being packed with sawdust

Take a good look at that gut job. Clean, tidy and straight. Does that look haphazard and unintentional to you? And I would be remiss if I didn’t point out the fact that he certainly had plenty of bar for a single pass on his back-cut. You are clearly a smart and talented young climber so trust yourself and your instincts.

To you youngsters I would recommend that you slow down and take the time to develop your sawmanship. Find that inner level that most of us have and develop it until you can make your stumps look like someone used a laser level and everything is crisp, clean, aligned, and as parallel as possible. Another important thing is tip awareness so work to make your tip an extension of your arm. If I can do it anyone can so visualize that shit and make it happen.

its funny how nice looking technically sound stumps tend to produce good results..

 

[rico]

I had that happen to me once, on a traditional face cut. The bar was short so even after the tip of the bar on the bottom cut bypassed, after I walked around to finish the far corner of the face, it looked clean as the two cuts matched there. The bypass caused by overcutting started 4-6" back from the far edge, and got filled with sawdust, so the face looked like a clean cut.

Big Chestnut Oak spar went 45 degrees to the lay and landed right bewtween a nice new shed and one of the biggest and best looking dogwoods I've ever seen.. no damage, but only by the Grace of God. I took 246 pictures of the stump, and suspended operations until I figured out why... That's one of the reasons I favor the plate cut. Only takes about 20 seconds more than a perfectly matched face (which many wouldn't have the skill to pull off anyhow, so it can save time for those that have to fool around with face cut) and you get enough height to the fibers on the front of the hinge that you can't miss a bypass and even if there is a little bypass, it won't cause the hinge to seize, because there is room in the tall hinge fibers to flex and squish a little.

So the fella who just admitted to loosing a tree sideways because he didn't have the foggiest notion as to where his tip was is now dishing out falling advice.

A small sampling so we all understand who we are taking falling advice from-

And no these are not IA generated deepfake pictures..These are real genuine pictures of Daniels work at the stump.

True story. As I was posting this first pic my wife saw it and said ”I have nerever seen a stump like that before. Did he just make that shit up?”






I would be remiss if i didn't point out the smashed play structure underneath the tulip top