Intentional Barber Chair

rico said:
If your still listening eyehearttrees, this fresh vid is a perfect example of why Daniel Murphy vids are a less than stellar place to get your online training.

Daniel clearly missed his lay and center punched a locust stump. You never want to intentionally hit stumps with trees/spars as it creates a variable that you have zero control over. Dangerous is an understatement. I have seen men hit stumps, break wood, and send chunks the size of a 2 ton truck 60-80 ft in the air.

In typical Murphman fashion he tries to tell us after the fact that he meant to hit the stump? Kinda like when he meant to hit the fence, or he had permission to hit the swing-set. More dishonest, dangerous hackery!!!!
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Hey, rico! Thanks for sharing your opinions on this. Let me start by saying I'm not fit to tie your boots, and I know it. I do still want to learn, though. My guess is that Murphy has never seen "men hit stumps, break wood, and send chunks the size of a 2 ton truck 60-80 ft in the air." (Which had me thinking "Wow", by the way.) So he might not be aware of the hazard he is possibly creating.

On the other hand, I have to disagree with your assessment that he is backing the story in "after the fact". The video clearly shows him making the statement right before he makes his back cut, as to what his goals and objectives were. Then he did what he said he was going to do. It was probably not the wise or the smart thing to do, but it was his intention before he started, and he said so. It would be backing it in to state something different as an objective before making the cut, and then making excuses when it all goes sideways.

I am not disputing the idea that what he did in this video was probably "dangerous hackery". I'm just saying that in this video he was conducting what I think you would call "honest hackery", since he laid it all out beforehand.

Thanks for sharing your expert opinion on this forum. I can see how it might drive you a bit nuts seeing the videos Murphy puts out, and wondering how many folks might end up dead or badly injured as a result of trying to do the stuff that he demonstrates in his videos. Thanks for taking the time to post the video and comment on it, as I otherwise would probably not have seen it.

Tim
 
rico said:
If your still listening eyehearttrees, this fresh vid is a perfect example of why Daniel Murphy vids are a less than stellar place to get your online training.

Daniel clearly missed his lay and center punched a locust stump. You never want to intentionally hit stumps with trees/spars as it creates a variable that you have zero control over. Dangerous is an understatement. I have seen men hit stumps, break wood, and send chunks the size of a 2 ton truck 60-80 ft in the air.

In typical Murphman fashion he tries to tell us after the fact that he meant to hit the stump? Kinda like when he meant to hit the fence, or he had permission to hit the swing-set. More dishonest, dangerous hackery!!!!

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I like Dan's posture in the thumbnail....like he fucked up again
 
TimBr said:
Hey, rico! Thanks for sharing your opinions on this. Let me start by saying I'm not fit to tie your boots, and I know it. I do still want to learn, though. My guess is that Murphy has never seen "men hit stumps, break wood, and send chunks the size of a 2 ton truck 60-80 ft in the air." (Which had me thinking "Wow", by the way.) So he might not be aware of the hazard he is possibly creating.

On the other hand, I have to disagree with your assessment that he is backing the story in "after the fact". The video clearly shows him making the statement right before he makes his back cut, as to what his goals and objectives were. Then he did what he said he was going to do. It was probably not the wise or the smart thing to do, but it was his intention before he started, and he said so. It would be backing it in to state something different as an objective before making the cut, and then making excuses when it all goes sideways.

I am not disputing the idea that what he did in this video was probably "dangerous hackery". I'm just saying that in this video he was conducting what I think you would call "honest hackery", since he laid it all out beforehand.

Thanks for sharing your expert opinion on this forum. I can see how it might drive you a bit nuts seeing the videos Murphy puts out, and wondering how many folks might end up dead or badly injured as a result of trying to do the stuff that he demonstrates in his videos. Thanks for taking the time to post the video and comment on it, as I otherwise would probably not have seen it.

Tim
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I won't even watch it or anymore of his vids but tim we have caught him more than once not calling the lay before it goes wrong and then back peddling to say he always meant to fuck up.
He should be banned from at least posting videos
Way more harm than good from him.
 
TimBr said:
Hey, rico! Thanks for sharing your opinions on this. Let me start by saying I'm not fit to tie your boots, and I know it. I do still want to learn, though. My guess is that Murphy has never seen "men hit stumps, break wood, and send chunks the size of a 2 ton truck 60-80 ft in the air." (Which had me thinking "Wow", by the way.) So he might not be aware of the hazard he is possibly creating.

On the other hand, I have to disagree with your assessment that he is backing the story in "after the fact". The video clearly shows him making the statement right before he makes his back cut, as to what his goals and objectives were. Then he did what he said he was going to do. It was probably not the wise or the smart thing to do, but it was his intention before he started, and he said so. It would be backing it in to state something different as an objective before making the cut, and then making excuses when it all goes sideways.

I am not disputing the idea that what he did in this video was probably "dangerous hackery". I'm just saying that in this video he was conducting what I think you would call "honest hackery", since he laid it all out beforehand.

Thanks for sharing your expert opinion on this forum. I can see how it might drive you a bit nuts seeing the videos Murphy puts out, and wondering how many folks might end up dead or badly injured as a result of trying to do the stuff that he demonstrates in his videos. Thanks for taking the time to post the video and comment on it, as I otherwise would probably not have seen it.

Tim
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You know I love you Timbr, but nowhere in the vid does Daniel state that he was intending to center-punch the locust stump and miraculously get the log to bounce to the right. Look where his crib logs are laided out on the hill? Did he hit them? NOPE. Daniels spar went wide left missing the crib logs by 6-8 ft, and instead cock-suckered the locust stump. Some real sharp shooting, and a little more after-the-fact bullshit me thinks?
 
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rico said:
You know I love you Timbr, but nowhere in the vid does Daniel state that he was intending to center-punch the locust stump and miraculously get the log to bounce to the right. Look where his crib logs are laided out on the hill? Did he hit them? NOPE. Daniels spar went wide left missing the crib logs by 6-8 ft, and instead cock-suckered the locust stump. Some real sharp shooting, and a little more after-the-fact bullshit me thinks?
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I love you too, Rico. You are right. I was conflating what he said in the video with what he had written later in the comments section of this YouTube video. He did say that he wanted the tree to end up in the street at the end, but it was only in the comments that he mentioned an intention to hit the stump, which was after the fact. I need to listen more closely. Also, with the mess he had on the ground in front of the tree to be felled, I failed to notice that he missed the intended lay of the tree. A bit too subtle for my non-timber falling ass. Thanks for pointing out the details for me.

Also, am I the only one who wonders why he doesn't clear out the brush from under his feet in the work area around the stump, before he starts to make his back cut? It seems like a trip-and-fall accident waiting to happen, possibly with a running saw in his hands. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, rico.

Tim
 
TimBr said:
I love you too, Rico. You are right. I was conflating what he said in the video with what he had written later in the comments section of this YouTube video. He did say that he wanted the tree to end up in the street at the end, but it was only in the comments that he mentioned an intention to hit the stump, which was after the fact. I need to listen more closely. Also, with the mess he had on the ground in front of the tree to be felled, I failed to notice that he missed the intended lay of the tree. A bit too subtle for my non-timber falling ass. Thanks for pointing out the details for me.

Also, am I the only one who wonders why he doesn't clear out the brush from under his feet in the work area around the stump, before he starts to make his back cut? It seems like a trip-and-fall accident waiting to happen, possibly with a running saw in his hands. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, rico.

Tim
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Dan could knotch a tree floating on water barefoot timbo!
He's just that lazy tim. And is probably getting $10,000 for a drop and leave nobody else in the world would even touch and you should know he was doing a huge favor for the customer.
Reminds me soooooooo much of a guy I worked under in my early days. That's why I just can't watch the videos. I've read plenty enough from him too so i believe what rico and the other high caliber men around here say about the videos.
My bad I sorta lied because when a rico or other credible man here makes a point out and highlights a moment in Dan's video by giving us a time mark to look at, that's the parts of his clips I watch.
I already know what the rest of the video consists of already.
 
Mowerr said:
Or what some call peeling. First time?
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Lol not my first time. I wanted it to peel so it would land with the butt out. Half the limb was over the house. Dont you ever hang limbs like that so they fall vertically?

Edit: doesnt work for all types of trees. Maples n white oaks hang very well
 
TimBr said:
I love you too, Rico. You are right. I was conflating what he said in the video with what he had written later in the comments section of this YouTube video. He did say that he wanted the tree to end up in the street at the end, but it was only in the comments that he mentioned an intention to hit the stump, which was after the fact. I need to listen more closely. Also, with the mess he had on the ground in front of the tree to be felled, I failed to notice that he missed the intended lay of the tree. A bit too subtle for my non-timber falling ass. Thanks for pointing out the details for me.

Also, am I the only one who wonders why he doesn't clear out the brush from under his feet in the work area around the stump, before he starts to make his back cut? It seems like a trip-and-fall accident waiting to happen, possibly with a running saw in his hands. Thanks again for taking the time to respond, rico.

Tim
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No worries Tim. Daniels vids are always a reminder for me that this craft is pretty simple shit if you allow it to be and there's no need to make it more complicated than necessary. Keep it simple whenever possible, follow proven tried and true methods, and keep a keen eye on the small details and subtleties and you will be fine. If your missing your lay by 8 ft then you probably need to go back to the basics. Save that cal custom shelf cut, swinging dutchman, bounce it off the stump bullshit for later.
 
I’m glad it worked out for you, and it all depends really.
I would have put a rope on it just to keep it from coming down on the tips and bouncing into that railing or deck or house or whatever else.
 
I peel limbs all the time. I let the tree rig itself (wood fiber rigging rope), as much as I can. 1000' of rigging rope in truck in various sizes and forms that I try not to carry around, and if I do, I like the lightest piece I need.
(Not to say I won't get out heavy stable-braid and metal hardware, as needed, to cut large as I can)

Letting the tree take the hit lets you use lighter rigging rope. I wouldn't drop onto nc-burner tree-master, what I will cut statically onto it, once the piece is hanging vertically (low energy position).

For cut and chuck, peeling and hanging is very useful, sometimes, often, including a bit of the collar.


Western redcedar will hang very well. Pine and oak, too.

Maple will often want to pinch the bar/ chain when splitting, UNLESS you use a slanted top-cut downward toward the tip. Doug-fir pops unless you do this.


If you let a doug-fir branch pop, you can land it flat, in the most space. If you peel it, you can finish your cut and push the butt away, or to the side, or slide the butt down the trunk, or push the butt to far side of the tree, or...


different than IBC.
 
Mattfitz said:

I was feeling a bit ballsy that day... What would you guys call that? Hang and flip? Lol
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I would call that rolling the dice. Sometimes the tip will land !st and will spring board the butt into the obstacle. I am sure you know this. Seems like an unnecessary risk. Why not take the extra 10 minutes to just rig it. You may get away with it 100 times but the 1st time you wreck something you lose all that time you saved. I get the idea of peeling so the fiber catches the limb. Saying that that you felt ballsy acknowledges you are taking a chance, why? Not ballsy just lazy. People hire me to not wreck shit not be ballsy. Welcome to Treebuzz.
 
southsoundtree said:
I peel limbs all the time. I let the tree rig itself (wood fiber rigging rope), as much as I can. 1000' of rigging rope in truck in various sizes and forms that I try not to carry around, and if I do, I like the lightest piece I need.
(Not to say I won't get out heavy stable-braid and metal hardware, as needed, to cut large as I can)

Letting the tree take the hit lets you use lighter rigging rope. I wouldn't drop onto nc-burner tree-master, what I will cut statically onto it, once the piece is hanging vertically (low energy position).

For cut and chuck, peeling and hanging is very useful, sometimes, often, including a bit of the collar.


Western redcedar will hang very well. Pine and oak, too.

Maple will often want to pinch the bar/ chain when splitting, UNLESS you use a slanted top-cut downward toward the tip. Doug-fir pops unless you do this.


If you let a doug-fir branch pop, you can land it flat, in the most space. If you peel it, you can finish your cut and push the butt away, or to the side, or slide the butt down the trunk, or push the butt to far side of the tree, or...


different than IBC.
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I agree cut and hang works good for cut and chuck as you call it, or hand control, I do it all the time on a conifer to hand control limbs. Although in this video he just cuts and lets them fall with 0 control. If the house was close enough like he said that he was peeling them then the limb had the potential to flip when it hit the ground and hit the house. The second didn't even peel it just tore off and fell. Control is the mark of skill and experience, this video shows neither.
 
He cuts a bit more, then turns his back to the tree to pick up a camera, then sticks his face right where you shouldn't be. That's just stupid. Dummer than a Hake. Numb-er than a pounded thumb. All parts of that video, i.e. "come on baby" (STFU!), are idiotic. Get it!?
 
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