How to Make an Eye & Eye & Eye

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What about 2 seperate cords, one long one short, whipped together where the eyes on one side are together and the other side the eyes are offset??

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that pretty much is emerging as the way to go.

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Well, that's what I was suggesting with my earlier post. Instead of two separate cords whipped together <u>use a seized eye</u>. If you splice one eye as a short tether on one leg of the seized eye, and splice another eye as a longer tether on the other leg of the seized eye, you'll have what you've been looking for!

Brion Toss once wrote of seizings; "... they're so strong and secure that they rival Eye Splices." (Brion Toss, Chapman's Nautical Guides, Knots, 1990, p161)

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SingleJack,

Sorry, I missed your post!

Use an eye and eye and then seize another eye like you suggest.

that does solve all the vector concerns.. Yep, it should would work uncannily well especially if I ran the tail through for a straight bury and then seized it. I think using zing-it for the seizing would be perfect.

The only question is whether the ITCC judges would accept it.

Straight seizing probably would not pass muster but using the whoopie sling idea and seizing the eye like that would definitely work!

ThanX!
 
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... The only question is whether the ITCC judges would accept it.

Straight seizing probably would not pass muster but using the whoopie sling idea and seizing the eye like that would definitely work!

ThanX!

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Sure! I like that ... post some pix of what you end up using and what the judges accept.

Good luck!!!
Jack
 
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The only question is whether the ITCC judges would accept it.



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Put it together, post pix of it in use as well as how its constructed and I'll bet you'll get answer!
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You never know who lurks on these forums.

I believe there was a way to submit Ideas/techniques to ISA ITCC via the web site prior to the ITCC last year??

I'll have to check.

Tony
 
Tell you what Shawn,

I have some older tenex eye &amp; eyes ready for retirement more because of age as opposed to wear. I'll seize splice a couple eyes into them and send them out to ya.

PM or email me with your address.

What sort of report or data will your local break bench be able to provide?
 
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Brion Toss once wrote of seizings; "... they're so strong and secure that they rival Eye Splices." (Brion Toss, Chapman's Nautical Guides, Knots, 1990, p161)[/b]

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Funny that you should mention that. I have that book as well, and remember reading that line and thinking "Wow that is interesting." That's a great little book and that's where I learned to splice 3-strand from. Great directions inside.

That's for another post though. I don't want to de-rail this thread.
 
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Seized eyes are on their way Shawn!

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I made a lanyard out of 1/2" ArborPlex when it 1st was introduced (1991?) and put a snap on it with 'seizing'. I showed the local OSHA inspector and he didn't like it. His reasoning was different people are gonna seize it with different tightnesses. There isn't any consistency, peson to person.
 
True, but lets face it, there isnt always consistency in splicing from person to person either. Different people use different tricks and shortcuts to accomplish the same splice. There can be just as much variation between two splices as between two seizings. Doesnt mean the end result isnt structurally secure, but there can be variances from splicer to splicer.

Valid point though, that had come to my mind as well. Im just really curious to see what they will do on a break bench. I dont think ive seen anyone do seizing tests on here.
 
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True, but lets face it, there isnt always consistency in splicing from person to person either. Different people use different tricks and shortcuts to accomplish the same splice. There can be just as much variation between two splices as between two seizings. Doesn't mean the end result isnt structurally secure, but there can be variances from splicer to splicer.

Valid point though, that had come to my mind as well. Im just really curious to see what they will do on a break bench. I dont think ive seen anyone do seizing tests on here.

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It is a valid point! Inspectors <u>have to be honored</u>. Though arguably, seizings might be more 'inspectable' than splices. For many years, I've wanted to see some testing of seizing. I'm hoping this is it and am eagerly looking forward to seeing some test results.

It would be interesting to see some 'standards' established for seizing. There are very few references. Here's one from Gerald L. Findley ,1999 (PDF). However, I prefer the Brion Toss flat knot finish; from his book referenced earlier.
 
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True, but lets face it, there isnt always consistency in splicing from person to person either.

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Yeah, but I would HOPE that persons using their splices for 'life support' have been getting their splices inspected by a qualified splicer. Can't do that with seizings.

Just to let people know, I did have the lanyard I seized pulled to 5,000 lbs and held at 5,000 for 5 minutes. The seizings didn't budge. After that, I cut it up and tossed it.
 
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Inspectors have to be honored.

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It's funny, the inspectors expect us to cite chapter and verse but they can subjectively disqualify something because they don't like it. So no, they don't have to be honored when they are subjectively making a decision.

Given the particular application I'm trying to meet with this where in it is a closed system failure of the seized eye will merely startle the bejeezus out of me.

Grizzly splices are essential seizings albeit penetrating each leg of the eye.

I'd have to argue too that splices are held by friction and friction is friction. Perhaps the biggest dowside of seizings is that there is only 1 yarn per seize and if that is compromised anywhere along its length then the seize is compromised 100%

Depending on the results of the tests I'd hang my butt off this type of set up.
 
Im with rfwoodvt on this one. If an inspector told me on site that I couldnt use something because he didnt like, I gotta be honest, Id put it away until he left, then get it right back out and keep using it. Probably fly the bird at him as he drove off.

If you have chapter and verse to cite as to why I cant use something, then Im all ears. Telling me you dont like the way something looks but not having a shred of standard to quote about it, then I dont care. I know what my stuff is capable of and when it needs to get cut up.

Ive had an OSHA guy try telling me a splice was bad before, and my knowledge of splicing allowed me to call his bluff, and he retracted his statement. They may be God according to OSHA, but that dont mean they know what theyre talkin about.
 
Unfortunately, I havent made it over to break them yet, still waiting on another person to send some stuff in they want tested. I will try to make it over there this week, but no promises. They are open M-F, same hours as us, so its kinds tough to get over there when I want to, gotta wait for a slow day, then call and see if the break bench is already rented that day, etc.
 
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