How does the rope runner pro compare to zig zag on ascending & descending?

rico said:
Try running a petrocan. ( Michoacán turned 180 degrees). In other words the down legs of your E2E are gonna be on the climbers side instead of away from the climber. When properly dialed it is as fast as lighting, eats slack almost like a mechanical, but has that sweetness that only a hitch based system can offer....
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Alright sweet I'll try it out. I have been wanting to but never got around to it. Kinda forgot. But thanks.
 
Stumpsprouts said:
Catalan, covered in a few threads and very well demonstrated and explained at 30:30 in Richard Mumford’s vid below-


Brocky’s Knut H is a variation of, specifically for the hitch hiker.
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Yeah I definitely know about the knut h. Love it great hitch. Run it all the time on the hh2 and I like the Catalan alot haven't been using it long but feels like it. I think I watched this video I've watched alot oh em. But I'll check it out again. Thanks

Does anyone have info on the Cosmo?
And thoughts? Looked like a pretty good hitch. I couldn't quite tell how he tied that one either.
 
Shit and when I was asking about the Catalan I actually meant to say the Cosmo. Ive been using the Catalan for a few weeks I like it alot
 
Brought all my gear to the work shop..to get it out of my house. Took up alot of space. But I brought hitch cords home to try it and I do still have like 3 ropes in my closet.

But anyway sorry about the derail...
I should have started my own thread about the Cosmo.
 
rico said:
Try running a petrocan. ( Michoacán turned 180 degrees). In other words the down legs of your E2E are gonna be on the climbers side instead of away from the climber. When properly dialed it is as fast as lighting, eats slack almost like a mechanical, but has that sweetness that only a hitch based system can offer....
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Yo the petrocan is slick as fuck..I had it on new adrenaline and a new 10mm wrapstar hitch cord. I had to dress and set it good. I think because everything is new, but that was nice. I gotta try it under the wrench tomorrow. Thanks
 
Christrees said:
But anyway sorry about the derail...
I should have started my own thread about the Cosmo.
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Yeah I guess I’m a little confused how a thread about two mechanical devices got into friction hitches.

Going back to the OP’s question... I’m a rope runner climber but tried someone’s zig zag / chicane today. On an up down ascent descent, it’s amazing, you can feather the birdie so easily, it has the RR totally beat in that regard. For horizontal / limb walking tending, which I was doing a fair bit of (3 cables and tip weight reduction on sprawling silver maple), it was horrible. I felt like Luke Skywalker reaching out to the lightsaber trying to get it to move but it wouldn’t. The folks who use it routinely say that’s kind of it’s vibe. Curious to know if that’s the case for others. Also, the chicane is gigantic.

The midline attachable thing is overrated. I slide my rope runner up the tail of my rope almost always to install.
 
Christrees said:
Yo the petrocan is slick as fuck..I had it on new adrenaline and a new 10mm wrapstar hitch cord. I had to dress and set it good. I think because everything is new, but that was nice. I gotta try it under the wrench tomorrow. Thanks
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I've run just about every hitch known to man on both the Wrench and the HH2 and have come to the conclusion that a Wrench with a well dialed petrocan will give any mechanical a run for its money in both speed and eating slack, but have that feel that no mechanical that I've used can come close to reproducing. I run a 4 wrap with a 24" e2e and a ISC shorty tether...Simply put, the best system I have run in over 4o yrs of working aloft.

If your looking to turn your HH2 into a high performance race car try a 3 wrap HH hitch...Make sure and keep your hitch pretty short (tight), or it will bit you in the ass...
 
rico said:
I've run just about every hitch know to man on both the Wrench and the HH2 and have come to the conclusion that a Wrench with a well dialed petrocan will give any mechanical a run for its money in both speed and eating slack, but have that feel that no mechanical that I've used can come close to reproducing. I run a 4 wrap with a 24" e2e and a ISC shorty tether...Simply put, the best system I have run in over 4o yrs of working aloft.

If your looking to turn your HH2 into a high performance race car try a 3 wrap HH hitch...Make sure and keep your hitch pretty short (tight), or it will bit you in the ass...
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Hahaha yeah I'll try the 3 wrap hh2 hitch. And I'll be using the petrocan exclusively for awhile maybe for good if it's as good as you say it is.. and I'm sure it is. Thanks for the wisdom
 
rico said:
I've run just about every hitch known to man on both the Wrench and the HH2 and have come to the conclusion that a Wrench with a well dialed petrocan will give any mechanical a run for its money in both speed and eating slack, but have that feel that no mechanical that I've used can come close to reproducing. I run a 4 wrap with a 24" e2e and a ISC shorty tether...Simply put, the best system I have run in over 4o yrs of working aloft.

If your looking to turn your HH2 into a high performance race car try a 3 wrap HH hitch...Make sure and keep your hitch pretty short (tight), or it will bit you in the ass...
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Also I have a shorty tether with 26 inch cord running the michoacan...love it can't wait to put the petrocan under it.
 
Christrees said:
Also I have a shorty tether with 26 inch cord running the michoacan...love it can't wait to put the petrocan under it.
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I personally like a 24"cord better with the Petro...Hitch bites quicker resulting in basically zero setback, and it also allows for a slightly larger gap between your hitch and the wrench.. Small things that make a big difference to me.

I know Swing runs 26" cord with his Wrench/Michoacan and that man is a bonifide Wrench expert....
 
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rico said:
I personally like a 24"cord better with the Petro...Hitch bites quicker resulting in basically zero setback, and it also allows for a slightly larger gap between your hitch and the wrench.. Small things that make a big difference to me.

I know Swing runs 26" cord with his Wrench/Michoacan and that man is a bonifide Wrench expert....
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Ok...yeah I like a 26, but I'll try a 24 next order I put in. You have me curious now
 
I've got the og runner and there are two things I really like about it that haven't fully been covered here.

1. Consistent hand position. With a wrench or chicane, if your full weight isn't on the line you have to manually collapse the chicane to let rope through, otherwise there's too much friction. If you have a long bridge and are making shapes out on a limbwalk, sometimes you can't reach that far, or it can be really hard to pull the wrench in and work the hitch at the same time. With a runner you always put your hand in the same place.

2. Spar work. When working down a spar, I make a canopy anchor with an alpine butterfly and a quickie. If my weight is on my lanyard and I want to move my canopy anchor, I can reach "behind" the quickie and pull my climbing line up which pushes the runner into the quickie, releases the runner, and allows more slack through in one motion. This way I can flip my canopy anchor up or down almost at easily as flipping a lanyard, and when I drop it the weight of the rope re-cinches the anchor and pulls slack through the runner. Very fly. Doesn't work on a chicane.
 
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