Harness or saddle?
- Thread starter Tom Dunlap
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I call it a saddle or a climbing belt, ya I usually say climbing belt. Harness is something you do to the wind or electricity. I don't like the idea of being harnessed. Never say spurs. A spur doesn't even mean that to me. A spur is a road that goes off somewhere other than the usual route. Or of coarse something you use to kick a horse. Spike the tree. Why isn't climbing belt a choice here?
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I dated a woman who was of Italian heritage...it was gravy.
The reason that I asked the question is that the current version of Z133 is just about to go to the printer. We're trying to clean up the language in the Z. In some places 'harness' is used, others 'saddle'.
One proposal is to use 'harness/saddle' in the text of the Z and then define the words in the glossary.
This is certainly not a critical safety issue. The committee is trying to make a better document that is easily understood.
The reason that I asked the question is that the current version of Z133 is just about to go to the printer. We're trying to clean up the language in the Z. In some places 'harness' is used, others 'saddle'.
One proposal is to use 'harness/saddle' in the text of the Z and then define the words in the glossary.
This is certainly not a critical safety issue. The committee is trying to make a better document that is easily understood.
sad·dle
   [sad-l] Show IPA noun, verb, -dled, -dling.
noun
1.
a seat for a rider on the back of a horse or other animal.
2.
a similar seat on a bicycle, tractor, etc.
3.
a part of a harness laid across the back of an animal and girded under the belly, to which the terrets and checkhook are attached.
4.
something resembling a saddle in shape, position, or function.
5.
the part of the back of an animal where a saddle is placed.
har·ness
   [hahr-nis] Show IPA
noun
1.
the combination of straps, bands, and other parts forming the working gear of a draft animal. Compare yoke1 ( def. 1 ) .
2.
(on a loom) the frame containing heddles through which the warp is drawn and which, in combination with another such frame or other frames, forms the shed and determines the woven pattern.
3.
the equipment, as straps, bolts, or gears, by which a large bell is mounted and rung.
4.
Electricity . wiring harness.
5.
armor for persons or horses.
After reading these I would probably say harness. Saddle has that animal feel to it. I have used the terms interchangeably. If it's for ease of reading I would probably just meet in the middle and go with "harness/saddle" just to cover the basis.
Also it's gravy. I'm a convert to it but I do still love my brown gravy. Don't ever bring that conversation up at thanksgiving dinner with a bunch of Italians, your going to loose the debate.
   [sad-l] Show IPA noun, verb, -dled, -dling.
noun
1.
a seat for a rider on the back of a horse or other animal.
2.
a similar seat on a bicycle, tractor, etc.
3.
a part of a harness laid across the back of an animal and girded under the belly, to which the terrets and checkhook are attached.
4.
something resembling a saddle in shape, position, or function.
5.
the part of the back of an animal where a saddle is placed.
har·ness
   [hahr-nis] Show IPA
noun
1.
the combination of straps, bands, and other parts forming the working gear of a draft animal. Compare yoke1 ( def. 1 ) .
2.
(on a loom) the frame containing heddles through which the warp is drawn and which, in combination with another such frame or other frames, forms the shed and determines the woven pattern.
3.
the equipment, as straps, bolts, or gears, by which a large bell is mounted and rung.
4.
Electricity . wiring harness.
5.
armor for persons or horses.
After reading these I would probably say harness. Saddle has that animal feel to it. I have used the terms interchangeably. If it's for ease of reading I would probably just meet in the middle and go with "harness/saddle" just to cover the basis.
Also it's gravy. I'm a convert to it but I do still love my brown gravy. Don't ever bring that conversation up at thanksgiving dinner with a bunch of Italians, your going to loose the debate.
If I am talking to arborist friends I call it a saddle, if I am talking to a customer I call it my harness and if I am talking to some salty tree veteran I call it my belt and my hooks...... I am just trying to get some street cred with the old timers. I have to admit my favorite is belt and hooks, those terms just sound cool.
lumberjackson
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After reading these I would probably say harness. Saddle has that animal feel to it. I have used the terms interchangeably.
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I think we all have some animal in us, right? I say saddle and spurs. unless, like emr, I am talking with some salty tree veteran, I say belt and hooks
After reading these I would probably say harness. Saddle has that animal feel to it. I have used the terms interchangeably.
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I think we all have some animal in us, right? I say saddle and spurs. unless, like emr, I am talking with some salty tree veteran, I say belt and hooks
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it is kinda of funny... My wifes grandmom....Destefano....said it was sauce...go figure...same with my cousins,,,,the Zizzamias!! certainly not Irish..lol
SingleJack
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- W MD
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The reason that I asked the question is that the current version of Z133 is just about to go to the printer. We're trying to clean up the language in the Z. In some places 'harness' is used, others 'saddle'.
One proposal is to use 'harness/saddle' in the text of the Z and then define the words in the glossary.
This is certainly not a critical safety issue. The committee is trying to make a better document that is easily understood.
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Tom, I Finally realized the depth of your question. Here are a few OSHA definitions that might be useful for your stated goals.
Subpart Title: Fall Protection / Standard Number: 1926.500 / Title: Scope, application, and definitions applicable to this subpart.
OSHA 1926.500(b) Definitions {in part}
Body Belt (Safety Belt) means a strap with means both for securing it about the waist and for attaching it to a lanyard, lifeline, or deceleration device.
Body Harness means straps which may be secured about the employee in a manner that will distribute the fall arrest forces over at least the thighs, pelvis, waist, chest and shoulders with means for attaching it to other components of a personal fall arrest system.
Positioning Device System means a body belt or body harness system rigged to allow an employee to be supported on an elevated vertical surface, such as a wall, and work with both hands free while leaning.
The term "Positioning Device System" is a bit 'stuffy' but it does fit the purposes of what we call a 'harness/saddle' and it sounds more professional when you're "trying to make a better document".
... just offering some different options.
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The reason that I asked the question is that the current version of Z133 is just about to go to the printer. We're trying to clean up the language in the Z. In some places 'harness' is used, others 'saddle'.
One proposal is to use 'harness/saddle' in the text of the Z and then define the words in the glossary.
This is certainly not a critical safety issue. The committee is trying to make a better document that is easily understood.
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Tom, I Finally realized the depth of your question. Here are a few OSHA definitions that might be useful for your stated goals.
Subpart Title: Fall Protection / Standard Number: 1926.500 / Title: Scope, application, and definitions applicable to this subpart.
OSHA 1926.500(b) Definitions {in part}
Body Belt (Safety Belt) means a strap with means both for securing it about the waist and for attaching it to a lanyard, lifeline, or deceleration device.
Body Harness means straps which may be secured about the employee in a manner that will distribute the fall arrest forces over at least the thighs, pelvis, waist, chest and shoulders with means for attaching it to other components of a personal fall arrest system.
Positioning Device System means a body belt or body harness system rigged to allow an employee to be supported on an elevated vertical surface, such as a wall, and work with both hands free while leaning.
The term "Positioning Device System" is a bit 'stuffy' but it does fit the purposes of what we call a 'harness/saddle' and it sounds more professional when you're "trying to make a better document".
... just offering some different options.
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- North Idaho
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If I am talking to arborist friends I call it a saddle, if I am talking to a customer I call it my harness and if I am talking to some salty tree veteran I call it my belt and my hooks...... I am just trying to get some street cred with the old timers. I have to admit my favorite is belt and hooks, those terms just sound cool.
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This.
But, if I had to choose one for your purpose, I'd choose harness. Everyone understands harness. The others are slang-ish. However, know this Tom, by making the publications for our profession bland for the sake of convenience, you are in effect helping to diminish it's adventurousness/romanticism. Long live the colloquialisms!
If I am talking to arborist friends I call it a saddle, if I am talking to a customer I call it my harness and if I am talking to some salty tree veteran I call it my belt and my hooks...... I am just trying to get some street cred with the old timers. I have to admit my favorite is belt and hooks, those terms just sound cool.
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This.
But, if I had to choose one for your purpose, I'd choose harness. Everyone understands harness. The others are slang-ish. However, know this Tom, by making the publications for our profession bland for the sake of convenience, you are in effect helping to diminish it's adventurousness/romanticism. Long live the colloquialisms!
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Having the wording standardized in the Z sure doesn't mean that there is going to be a word ban. What this would do is make the Z easier to understand and consistent.
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- Southern RI
Tom even if I'm talking to the president I'll call it my saddle...
Old dog don't learn new tricks...LOL
Old dog don't learn new tricks...LOL
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- North Idaho
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Having the wording standardized in the Z sure doesn't mean that there is going to be a word ban. What this would do is make the Z easier to understand and consistent.
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I know. I'm just givin' you a bad time.
Having the wording standardized in the Z sure doesn't mean that there is going to be a word ban. What this would do is make the Z easier to understand and consistent.
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I know. I'm just givin' you a bad time.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
Hahahaha! I know that you are...but there are some lurkers out there that I wanted to inform.
Like a lot of etymology there can be confusion. by having some consistency, even if its only in the Z, it makes discussions easier.
Voltaire wrote, and Shigo often quoted:
"If you wish to converse with me, define your terms"
Outside of official discussions things are a lot more casual.
Harness, saddle, belt, TreeFlex...they all are used casually and mean the same thing to me. To a layperson in an official discussion I would discipline myself to using saddle though.
Like a lot of etymology there can be confusion. by having some consistency, even if its only in the Z, it makes discussions easier.
Voltaire wrote, and Shigo often quoted:
"If you wish to converse with me, define your terms"
Outside of official discussions things are a lot more casual.
Harness, saddle, belt, TreeFlex...they all are used casually and mean the same thing to me. To a layperson in an official discussion I would discipline myself to using saddle though.
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