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I got Rocky's joke but it hits close to home. A week or so ago a groundie was killed near here by walking into the Drop Zone and getting hit by a piece of trunk wood. The thread is in Awakenings.
Given the choice?
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I'm only guessing what a spar is! Trunk? Stem?
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I believe by "spar" we all mean the vertical stem/trunk that is the last part of a removal. Brush is gone, tie-ins are gone, and you're probably on spikes and a false crotch right next to the rigging block.
K
I'm only guessing what a spar is! Trunk? Stem?
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I believe by "spar" we all mean the vertical stem/trunk that is the last part of a removal. Brush is gone, tie-ins are gone, and you're probably on spikes and a false crotch right next to the rigging block.
K
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Thanks babberney, do you think I may have been using sarcasm? Spar is not used frequently here but I get the jist of whats going on. "Huge language barrier" also contains a hint of sarcasm perhaps? Its a low form of wit but we get taught it in school!
Roger_Barnett
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TodK posted:
As far as length it does not really matter for us.Most of the time the material is going through a 36" gate and we recycle all of our material into mulch. One thing I find fruastrating about this trade is how terms mean different things depending on locations. I have done a poor job in communicating my question. By cut and chunck was thinking more like having to make a step cut and then man handle the material to avoid obsticles like bushes or a fence. If I could put a pull line and face out a large piece I would obviously do that. So given the choice what would you do?
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For short 16-36 inch rounds, I never use a step cut, if the stem is vertical. It's much simpler to cut straight through, emplying a couple methods to avoid bar pinch.
Sometimes cutting a longer section, say 4-6 feet, as it may be less likely to bounce.
Quickest is to cut an 8-12 foot section, and just push it over, using a pull line as last resort.
preferable is cutting 16 to 40 foot logs and selling them.
In other words, do whatever method the jobsite site allows.
The longer the better would be my quick answer.
We just removed two 125 foot doug fir, probably 5-6 cord of wood. Had to buck it up, was too tight for a crane, darn they were nice logs...(but some armylaria, so hazard trees) I brought the Hobbs along, but was glad we were able to bomb all the wood out. Too time consuming, requires more ground help...with wood that size, it would have taken at least two additional hours to rig. And with my new modified Dolmar 7900, the trees disappeared in record time. Yep, a 13.5 lb saw puting out over 8 horsepower, now that is the tool!!! I like it so much, I may get another and have a different builder do it, as his work seems even better. His modded 7900 beat a modded 066 and even an 088!! He's sending me my new 357 which he tested out to be faster than a stock 7900...It will be my 11th modded saw.
Excuse the ramblings, fellas, but my addiction is showing...
As far as length it does not really matter for us.Most of the time the material is going through a 36" gate and we recycle all of our material into mulch. One thing I find fruastrating about this trade is how terms mean different things depending on locations. I have done a poor job in communicating my question. By cut and chunck was thinking more like having to make a step cut and then man handle the material to avoid obsticles like bushes or a fence. If I could put a pull line and face out a large piece I would obviously do that. So given the choice what would you do?
>>>
For short 16-36 inch rounds, I never use a step cut, if the stem is vertical. It's much simpler to cut straight through, emplying a couple methods to avoid bar pinch.
Sometimes cutting a longer section, say 4-6 feet, as it may be less likely to bounce.
Quickest is to cut an 8-12 foot section, and just push it over, using a pull line as last resort.
preferable is cutting 16 to 40 foot logs and selling them.
In other words, do whatever method the jobsite site allows.
The longer the better would be my quick answer.
We just removed two 125 foot doug fir, probably 5-6 cord of wood. Had to buck it up, was too tight for a crane, darn they were nice logs...(but some armylaria, so hazard trees) I brought the Hobbs along, but was glad we were able to bomb all the wood out. Too time consuming, requires more ground help...with wood that size, it would have taken at least two additional hours to rig. And with my new modified Dolmar 7900, the trees disappeared in record time. Yep, a 13.5 lb saw puting out over 8 horsepower, now that is the tool!!! I like it so much, I may get another and have a different builder do it, as his work seems even better. His modded 7900 beat a modded 066 and even an 088!! He's sending me my new 357 which he tested out to be faster than a stock 7900...It will be my 11th modded saw.
Excuse the ramblings, fellas, but my addiction is showing...
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Well, I guess you told me. I have a sense of humor that's been compared to the dry british wit, and one thing I've learned is some people won't get it no matter what. A lot more won't get it when it's typed out and mailed electronically. I even resort to emoticons now and then to make it a little plainer I'm joking, but mostly I enjoy the confusion of those people who don't get it as much as I enjoy knowing some who do.
But on a site like this where asking and answering question is what it's all about, I tend to assume people are serious in their queries even when I suspect they aren't. Treating some questions as jokes, or foolish, or stupid, or obvious tends to sour the atmosphere and reduce the give and take that goes on here.
Feel free to disregard any or all of my future posts.
keith
But on a site like this where asking and answering question is what it's all about, I tend to assume people are serious in their queries even when I suspect they aren't. Treating some questions as jokes, or foolish, or stupid, or obvious tends to sour the atmosphere and reduce the give and take that goes on here.
Feel free to disregard any or all of my future posts.
keith
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Go on Roger. I like hearing about the mods. I just got a little MS 361 that is said to have the best power-weight ratio in its' class. I'm thinking of drilling out the front of the muffler to start. Maybe I'll send a pic to see what you'd do.
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I just got a little MS 361 that is said to have the best power-weight ratio in its' class.
[/ QUOTE ] Who told you that, your Stihl dealer? Go look on Stihl's website, the 361 has less power and more weight than the 360. But it is emissions compliant. Perhaps it has the best power to weight ratio in it's class amongst Stihl products? I know you cannot run other brands because of your sponsorship, too bad.
I just got a little MS 361 that is said to have the best power-weight ratio in its' class.
[/ QUOTE ] Who told you that, your Stihl dealer? Go look on Stihl's website, the 361 has less power and more weight than the 360. But it is emissions compliant. Perhaps it has the best power to weight ratio in it's class amongst Stihl products? I know you cannot run other brands because of your sponsorship, too bad.
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I'll look into the power thing.
As for the "too bad " thing, I really don't see it that way squirrelly.
As for the "too bad " thing, I really don't see it that way squirrelly.
Wow, when I read my last post it doesn't read the way I intended. I wasn't trying to sound sarcastic although it looks that way.
In the 60cc range, the Husky 357 has better numbers than the Stihl 361. And when you jump up to the next size (70-80cc) you have a few options including the new Dolmar 7900.
Stihl makes a good solid saw, but to think their 10-15 year old designs (choked down to meet EPA requirements) still offer the most performance in their respective displacement ranges is nothing but blind loyalty. I got rid of my last Stihl a year ago after praising Stihls for 15 years and have found many other impressive saws out there.
In the 60cc range, the Husky 357 has better numbers than the Stihl 361. And when you jump up to the next size (70-80cc) you have a few options including the new Dolmar 7900.
Stihl makes a good solid saw, but to think their 10-15 year old designs (choked down to meet EPA requirements) still offer the most performance in their respective displacement ranges is nothing but blind loyalty. I got rid of my last Stihl a year ago after praising Stihls for 15 years and have found many other impressive saws out there.
Roger_Barnett
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Mark,
I havent seen that saw, but wiley_p, who really knows his Stihl saws, ran one, and was very underimpressed. (he has 2 036's ,as I have had.) Could be the muffler sounds was what fooled him. Might it be a catalytic? Whatever, I think it is Stihl's first motor design with closed quad ports like the Huskys...and that should be a good thing.
Rocky, the 361 is shown an 12.3 lb, 0.2 lighter than the 360, but still heavier than a 357.
Also, I'm convinced Stihl is telling little white lies with their power numbers being essentially unchanged of late, even though they now sell saws with miniscule exhaust ports.
Go to ASite for tons of info on muffler modding, and builders that can do the whole saw for you. I have a modded 357 Husky on its way to me that has recorded cut times equal with a stock 6.2 hp Dolmar 7900...which happens to be the most advanced engine design ever in a saw..and the best pwr to weight. Edit, I said that already earlier...do I sound anxious to get the 357 or what?
When I dual ported the muffler on one of my older 036's, which had a single opening almost double the area of the current horribly choked up Stihl's, the saw made at least 20% faster cuts.
Another thing, opening mufflers will allow saws to run cooler, and richer....(screw the EPA), but even so, you might consider switching to a full synthetic mix like Mobil MX2T, mixed at 32-1 to 40-1. It makes a world of difference, less smoke, no carbon build up inside...fabulous stuff, and comparable in price to regular Stihl dino mix.
If you run 044, 046 and 066's, ask your dealer. to sell you ported front covers that will convert the saws into real powerhouses. As well, dremel the existing port to 9/16 - 5/8 round, and open the deflector a tad. The 088, with it's odd muffler, I don't know what to do there.....
There's more to the issue though, as wiley_p found with his 046, which had to have expensive carb mods to allow it to handle the extra fuel flow needed with all the extra horsepower provided by the muffler mods...so be careful, make sure you can adjust the carbs correctly after muffler porting.
Another thing, come 2005 or therabouts, the full restrictive EPA guidelines come into effect throughout the US...who know what that means for the 200T? Maybe nothing? I think it can still be sold in Ca, but the 335/338 can't. So maybe we should all consider stocking up on our favorite saws.
I havent seen that saw, but wiley_p, who really knows his Stihl saws, ran one, and was very underimpressed. (he has 2 036's ,as I have had.) Could be the muffler sounds was what fooled him. Might it be a catalytic? Whatever, I think it is Stihl's first motor design with closed quad ports like the Huskys...and that should be a good thing.
Rocky, the 361 is shown an 12.3 lb, 0.2 lighter than the 360, but still heavier than a 357.
Also, I'm convinced Stihl is telling little white lies with their power numbers being essentially unchanged of late, even though they now sell saws with miniscule exhaust ports.
Go to ASite for tons of info on muffler modding, and builders that can do the whole saw for you. I have a modded 357 Husky on its way to me that has recorded cut times equal with a stock 6.2 hp Dolmar 7900...which happens to be the most advanced engine design ever in a saw..and the best pwr to weight. Edit, I said that already earlier...do I sound anxious to get the 357 or what?
When I dual ported the muffler on one of my older 036's, which had a single opening almost double the area of the current horribly choked up Stihl's, the saw made at least 20% faster cuts.
Another thing, opening mufflers will allow saws to run cooler, and richer....(screw the EPA), but even so, you might consider switching to a full synthetic mix like Mobil MX2T, mixed at 32-1 to 40-1. It makes a world of difference, less smoke, no carbon build up inside...fabulous stuff, and comparable in price to regular Stihl dino mix.
If you run 044, 046 and 066's, ask your dealer. to sell you ported front covers that will convert the saws into real powerhouses. As well, dremel the existing port to 9/16 - 5/8 round, and open the deflector a tad. The 088, with it's odd muffler, I don't know what to do there.....
There's more to the issue though, as wiley_p found with his 046, which had to have expensive carb mods to allow it to handle the extra fuel flow needed with all the extra horsepower provided by the muffler mods...so be careful, make sure you can adjust the carbs correctly after muffler porting.
Another thing, come 2005 or therabouts, the full restrictive EPA guidelines come into effect throughout the US...who know what that means for the 200T? Maybe nothing? I think it can still be sold in Ca, but the 335/338 can't. So maybe we should all consider stocking up on our favorite saws.
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Sorry mate, thought you were being serious. That one was lost on me. Typing does lose a lot of the actual meaning and this thread went off on a tangent from the usual informative manner and I guess we all got lost. I'm learning a lot from all the input here and yours is highly valuable. It would all be more fun over a beer but thats not likely in the near future. Keep up the posts and the wit and I'll do my best to keep up.
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Rupe,
don't worry, I have a thick skin. to clarify, I WAS being serious, on the off-chance that you were really not sure what "spar" meant in this context. my comments about people missing my humor were just illustrative of how easily I missed yours. on these boards, what seems like a foolish question or a troll might be the real deal, and it doesn't cost me anything to treat it that way.
Once I answered a guy who said he had lost one arm and wanted to know how he could do our job one-handed. Almost certainly a troll, but at the time I found it an interesting mental exercise to wonder if it was possible, so I offered some ideas. Some readers probably snickered at what a sucker I was, but if that's all it takes to entertain them, I don't mind being the clown.
Sorry if I seemed to be slapping you down before. sometimes even I'm not sure when I'm serious and when I'm joking. I really don't think it's any surprise that we sometimes misunderstand each other, and have no problem with follow-ups to clarify.
Hope to meet you for that beer sometime.
keith
don't worry, I have a thick skin. to clarify, I WAS being serious, on the off-chance that you were really not sure what "spar" meant in this context. my comments about people missing my humor were just illustrative of how easily I missed yours. on these boards, what seems like a foolish question or a troll might be the real deal, and it doesn't cost me anything to treat it that way.
Once I answered a guy who said he had lost one arm and wanted to know how he could do our job one-handed. Almost certainly a troll, but at the time I found it an interesting mental exercise to wonder if it was possible, so I offered some ideas. Some readers probably snickered at what a sucker I was, but if that's all it takes to entertain them, I don't mind being the clown.
Sorry if I seemed to be slapping you down before. sometimes even I'm not sure when I'm serious and when I'm joking. I really don't think it's any surprise that we sometimes misunderstand each other, and have no problem with follow-ups to clarify.
Hope to meet you for that beer sometime.
keith
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Competition in the saw manufacturing market will only help us in the field. The more one brand improves, the better the others try to be. I'm always gald to have someone working hard to improve the things that I need and use the most. Invention is cool!
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Rock,
The Stihl website was not up to date. The original listings said that the 361 had 4.3 BHP at 12.3 lbs, but it is really 4.4 BHP at 12.3. Pretty close though.
The interesting thing about this saw is that it is said to have a 50% longer lifespan then the 360. Not sure why yet?
The Stihl website was not up to date. The original listings said that the 361 had 4.3 BHP at 12.3 lbs, but it is really 4.4 BHP at 12.3. Pretty close though.
The interesting thing about this saw is that it is said to have a 50% longer lifespan then the 360. Not sure why yet?
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Well, I realize all manufacturers tend to fib on their numbers but I went into my bookmarks and pulled up the first site I could find that sold Husky chainsaws.
http://www.powermadeeasy.com/husqvarna/husqvarnamain.htm The info listed for the 357XP was:
3.5 Cubic Inches displacement
4.4bhp
12.1 lbs
Your 361 is described as:
3.6 c.i.
4.4bhp
12.3 lbs
This was just the first source I pulled up, I did not bother researching it very far.
http://www.powermadeeasy.com/husqvarna/husqvarnamain.htm The info listed for the 357XP was:
3.5 Cubic Inches displacement
4.4bhp
12.1 lbs
Your 361 is described as:
3.6 c.i.
4.4bhp
12.3 lbs
This was just the first source I pulled up, I did not bother researching it very far.
NickfromWI
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Well then it's clear. Husky saws are superior to Stihl. From now on I will pity anyone as there MS200T is peeling through a limb.
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Gerald_Beranek
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Unless rigging from another tree... boy you hit the nail on the head. thank you
It's often been a wonder for me with the guy on the ground running the ropes.
I did a short video of wrecking out a Bishop Pine ( Icky Sticky) where most the limbs and tops were speed lined out. the trunk sections I cut and chucked. Only because the guy on the ground couldn't understand english. One wrap, two wraps, let it run, he couldn't understand the fine details to make me feel comfortable dropping hundreds of pounds that if he didn't let it run would ..... well my hurt me if he didnt. Seems to be my nemesis in the trade. Only because I been hit before because the ground person didn't let it run. Enough people have.
Yeah, cutting and chuckin is awful and painfull. It's the worst part of this business.
Boy, find another tree to rig off of is heaven sent.
My perferred MO.
Jerry B
It's often been a wonder for me with the guy on the ground running the ropes.
I did a short video of wrecking out a Bishop Pine ( Icky Sticky) where most the limbs and tops were speed lined out. the trunk sections I cut and chucked. Only because the guy on the ground couldn't understand english. One wrap, two wraps, let it run, he couldn't understand the fine details to make me feel comfortable dropping hundreds of pounds that if he didn't let it run would ..... well my hurt me if he didnt. Seems to be my nemesis in the trade. Only because I been hit before because the ground person didn't let it run. Enough people have.
Yeah, cutting and chuckin is awful and painfull. It's the worst part of this business.
Boy, find another tree to rig off of is heaven sent.
My perferred MO.
Jerry B
Roger_Barnett
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Quote from that site, Mark:
<<In addition, a gravity cast cylinder with a four-port system produces lower emissions and a high power output, with less displacement.>>
Husky's quad port closed loop transfers is what Stihl is finally going too, it looks like. Now maybe they can enlarge their muffler ports to more like Husky's sizes and still meet emissions..Check out your saw to see. If they're still small, then I'll betcha Stihl is still fudging their hp figures. No way could their recent saws have the same power as the older better ported ones.
I just today put a dual port miffler on my 45 cc 335 Cali Special. It now is a raging saw, should easily smoke a stock 200T, and has way more torque. It is so good, I may not bother to have the engine modded.
sTIHL MY
<<In addition, a gravity cast cylinder with a four-port system produces lower emissions and a high power output, with less displacement.>>
Husky's quad port closed loop transfers is what Stihl is finally going too, it looks like. Now maybe they can enlarge their muffler ports to more like Husky's sizes and still meet emissions..Check out your saw to see. If they're still small, then I'll betcha Stihl is still fudging their hp figures. No way could their recent saws have the same power as the older better ported ones.
I just today put a dual port miffler on my 45 cc 335 Cali Special. It now is a raging saw, should easily smoke a stock 200T, and has way more torque. It is so good, I may not bother to have the engine modded.
sTIHL MY
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Roger,
I worry about opening the muffler with my limited understanding of what may go wrong. I would prefer to purchase one made for it. I wondered if the less resistance could upset the balance and burn the saw up early?
I worry about opening the muffler with my limited understanding of what may go wrong. I would prefer to purchase one made for it. I wondered if the less resistance could upset the balance and burn the saw up early?
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