Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Tom Dunlap said:
That could be true if there were one single corporate media. fortunately we still have freedom of speech and the press. There are always a variety of sources of information.

When I lived in Austin TX I asked the guys I worked with what the coldest air temperature they had ever felt, this is air temp, not windchill. After consideration they agreed that it was about +15f about five years previously. I could tell by their faces and bodies that even remembering that winter storm made them uncomfortable. I didn't say a thing.,..until one of the guys chuckled and asked me. Being from Minnesota the meaning of 'cold' was much different than they were ever going to get from their corporate media. As it is, my experience of temps isn't based on corporate definitions gleaned from media. Minus 40f to plus 105f is what I know...and didn't listen to what corporate media was saying.

I listen and read to get information from a variety of sources. There's no corporate media unless you only source from one corporate voice.
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Tom - let me stop you at "we still have freedom of speech and the press"
 
Matias said:
Within the quote from my previous post I clearly state that they demonstrated intellect to MY SATISFACTION. It is irrelevant to this conversation who that person is and where they got their knowledge base. What you want to know is whether or not to assign me any credibility, and I don't know for certain that I can give you that assurance if you're unwilling to take me seriously and actually do the homework I might prescribe. I'm gonna guess that you believe YouTube and all mainstream sources are compromised, and actively silence any "real truth", and Bitchute and Telegram are good sources, right?
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Matias - he asked you a simple question. Why the attitude?
 
Matias said:
I hope you do one day find the capacity to deprogram, but it seems you're in pretty deep. When I used to sound like you, I got the good advice to look up my favorite conspiracy and add the word 'debunked' after it. I started reading with an open mind, as the person I was speaking with had already clearly demonstrated to my liking his intellectual prowess, so I wanted to give him a fair chance. I was stunned at how much more lucid and intelligent these people sounded right off the bat, and they made points that once seen, were very self evident. I started to look for more and more as feverishly as I had pursued the original conspiracies themselves.
I started to realize after a while, that this was all taking up an awful lot of my time, and it wasn't giving me any good direction towards solutions. And then my friend, I started thinking about other things. I started working on solutions. Funny enough, that's part of what lead me down the path to this work now.
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Can you please give us maybe 2 examples of your favorite conspiracies?
 
eastsidetimber said:
No Im not implying it. I just want to make sure we are on the same page before I bring this up. How come when speaking about election deniers do you not include say, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Jerry Nadler, John Lewis or Stacey Abrams? Just a couple off the top of my head....point is, it doesn't just happen on one side, it happens on both. They are all cut from the same cloth.

A quick google search gave me this video:


If you want me to respect your argument, you must be fair and reasonable.
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@JCB - you cant just not respond to this....right?
 
Matias said:
Hey bud, I don't mean to poke the bear, and I'm only just joining the conversation today, but I have friends who subscribe to the same rhetoric and approach to the discussion that you seem to exhibit over the four pages back I started reading from. You've been asked by many here about solutions. Do you have any? How about going a step further; do you have any ideas how to execute said plans? I've been a prepper for 10 years now, and as much as I think both parties are bullshit, you can still push for the lesser evil while we plan and make small preparatory moves.
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@eastsidetimber you're not gonna just not respond to this, riiiight?
 
eastsidetimber said:
No I'm not implying it. I just want to make sure we are on the same page before I bring this up. How come when speaking about election deniers do you not include say, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Joe Biden, Jerry Nadler, John Lewis or Stacey Abrams? Just a couple off the top of my head....point is, it doesn't just happen on one side, it happens on both. They are all cut from the same cloth.

A quick google search gave me this video:


If you want me to respect your argument, you must be fair and reasonable.
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OK, so tell me which one of those folks you mention denies that Biden is president (so, OK, I did not watch the video suggested above). More to the point, and while I try not to point personal fingers unless it's warranted, it is you who states that you consider both parties equally complicit while you align yourself along party lines. I have voted split-party tickets all my life and never cared much about party identifiers. Massachusetts has had several Republican governors with Democratic legislators and I'm fine with that because I like non-partisanship. Likewise, I often tune in to Fox and the rest, and thereby offer them a chance to say something fair and reasonable, but all I hear are nonfactual lies, hate, and ranting madness. Do I sometimes scream when a Democrat or pundit says something similarly destructive and stupid on MSNBC? I certainly do. Do large parts of my brain and heart hope that Liz Cheney becomes our next president? Yes, because what I honor most is bravery and honesty.

It was never my wish that the vast majority of Republicans would align themselves with everything I see as wanton and grotesque. My uncles and father fought vigorously about politics because in their world both parties had merits. Trust me, none of my forebears (who all fought for democracy in WW2) would align themselves with Republicans today, while I believe they might still identify several virtues among Democrats. When most Republican party members became abject liars, religious zealots, and white supremacists fighting to undo long-accepted, hard-won human rights, they forfeited their rights to be considered as viable candidates. Period.

It's not enough to say both parties are bad and there's nothing to be done. While we remain a democracy (and thank goodness we still might be so thanks to thinking voters), one must vote for the lesser of two evils. By voting the miscreants out of office, we help to inspire better future behavior. Is Mark Finchem going to be Arizona's next secretary of state, where he can fulfill his expressed goals of corrupting future elections? No, because Americans decided they wanted better and voted him down.

Warning: If this discussion does not grow beyond a tiring recital of the same rants I've heard for the last six years, you won't need to worry about my future responses. Meanwhile, I try to avoid specific stories that I read in the paper this week (arguing in a tit-for-tat manner that makes us further hate each other), and stick to broader arguments about fundamental morals and behavior. I suggest we do that.
 
96coal449 said:
It's alright. He must have felt threatened. It is one's instinct to be defensive under such circumstance.
I meant no harm.

For that matter, I mean no one here on the buzz any harm. We are all brothers and sisters from the same creator.
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Let's back it up then. Please regale us with your subtle comments on my original statement? Why did you ask your "simple question"? I still maintain that it was irrelevant to the conversation at hand here. There are a lot of unanswered questions directed at @eastsidetimber , and you seem to agree with his statements thus far, and it's annoying. Your interpretation that I must have felt threatened is pure projection. Did you feel I meant you harm? Even anything close? Let me ask you simply:
Do you support the one referred to in the title of the thread?
 
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JCB said:
OK, so tell me which one of those folks you mention denies that Biden is president (so, OK, I did not watch the video suggested above). More to the point, and while I try not to point personal fingers unless it's warranted, it is you who states that you consider both parties equally complicit while you align yourself along party lines. I have voted split-party tickets all my life and never cared much about party identifiers. Massachusetts has had several Republican governors with Democratic legislators and I'm fine with that because I like non-partisanship. Likewise, I often tune in to Fox and the rest, and thereby offer them a chance to say something fair and reasonable, but all I hear are nonfactual lies, hate, and ranting madness. Do I sometimes scream when a Democrat or pundit says something similarly destructive and stupid on MSNBC? I certainly do. Do large parts of my brain and heart hope that Liz Cheney becomes our next president? Yes, because what I honor most is bravery and honesty.

It was never my wish that the vast majority of Republicans would align themselves with everything I see as wanton and grotesque. My uncles and father fought vigorously about politics because in their world both parties had merits. Trust me, none of my forebears (who all fought for democracy in WW2) would align themselves with Republicans today, while I believe they might still identify several virtues among Democrats. When most Republican party members became abject liars, religious zealots, and white supremacists fighting to undo long-accepted, hard-won human rights, they forfeited their rights to be considered as viable candidates. Period.

It's not enough to say both parties are bad and there's nothing to be done. While we remain a democracy (and thank goodness we still might be so thanks to thinking voters), one must vote for the lesser of two evils. By voting the miscreants out of office, we help to inspire better future behavior. Is Mark Finchem going to be Arizona's next secretary of state, where he can fulfill his expressed goals of corrupting future elections? No, because Americans decided they wanted better and voted him down.

Warning: If this discussion does not grow beyond a tiring recital of the same rants I've heard for the last six years, you won't need to worry about my future responses. Meanwhile, I try to avoid specific stories that I read in the paper this week (arguing in a tit-for-tat manner that makes us further hate each other), and stick to broader arguments about fundamental morals and behavior. I suggest we do that.
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JCB -

A. NEITHER of us are standing on any kind of moral high ground. Let's just both knock that off.

B. YOU said we needed to vote out election deniers. I gave you a list from the other side with VIDEO EVIDENCE that you conveniently missed (remind me again why you didnt watch it?). In the effort to be fair and reasonable.

C. I voted for Obama my post college years before I woke up. You were saying???? Lol. Turns out Obama is the MOST corrupt and a massive war criminal to boot.

D. Liz Cheney?? Lol. No way. Have you HEARD of Halliburton bro? It just completely escapes me why Americans keep supporting people that literally hate them.

E. Finally, I'll say this. Democrats are everything they accuse the other side of, old school Republicans are warmongers and sellouts. I'm a half Asian (mom is first generation Vietnamese immigrant), who possibly supports America First policies. But wait....you said all of those people are white supremacists right? In the end JCB, you must try to look beyond the lies. Be a free person and free thinker. Freedom means EVERYTHING. I wish the best for you, as I do for EVERY American who works hard and gets taken advantage of on the daily.
 
eastsidetimber said:
JCB -

A. NEITHER of us are standing on any kind of moral high ground. Let's just both knock that off.

B. YOU said we needed to vote out election deniers. I gave you a list from the other side with VIDEO EVIDENCE that you conveniently missed (remind me again why you didnt watch it?). In the effort to be fair and reasonable.

C. I voted for Obama my post college years before I woke up. You were saying???? Lol. Turns out Obama is the MOST corrupt and a massive war criminal to boot.

D. Liz Cheney?? Lol. No way. Have you HEARD of Halliburton bro? It just completely escapes me why Americans keep supporting people that literally hate them.

E. Finally, I'll say this. Democrats are everything they accuse the other side of, old school Republicans are warmongers and sellouts. I'm a half Asian (mom is first generation Vietnamese immigrant), who possibly supports America First policies. But wait....you said all of those people are white supremacists right? In the end JCB, you must try to look beyond the lies. Be a free person and free thinker. Freedom means EVERYTHING. I wish the best for you, as I do for EVERY American who works hard and gets taken advantage of on the daily.
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Yup, I'm done. Better things to do with my breath. Enjoy your myopic life!
 
eastsidetimber said:
I'm a half Asian (mom is first generation Vietnamese immigrant), who possibly supports America First policies. But wait....you said all of those people are white supremacists right?
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Non white people can and sometimes do have an internalized belief of ethnic hierarchys. I'm not speaking to your experience, but being non white does not NECESSARILY mean one doesn't hold white supremacist beliefs
 
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