Eye to eye as knee ascender

[Tuebor]

I am not getting it, whats the point about this system?

It eliminates the knee ascender.

The multicender now serves that function.

 

[Lignotuber]

I am not getting it, whats the point about this system?

Less gear/bulk and multiple uses. Benefits of a knee ascender with an eye to eye which is something I and likely others already have on the harness anyway. Up and down travel in the bridge and multicender capturing advancement allows it to function pretty darn well imo. Idk I dig it.

 

[Tree Access]

But how do you have some gain if youre not pulling rope through the ascender?

 

[Lignotuber]

But how do you have some gain if youre not pulling on the rop but only on the ascender? Might work with a "classical" chest ascender where the rope falls through, but thats not the case with most multicender/rope combinations. Right?
Is it just that or do I miss something?

Did you see the pics/video in the link? Hard for me to visualize right now but I think you're essentially just loading the multicender with your "knee ascender" step up, and then it tends twice the distance on the foot ascender step. That's why it won't work with a standard chest harness, need the shock cord to stretch a bit with you on one of your steps. Idk i might be wrong with the explanation but it can work pretty efficiently.

 

[Tree Access]

Edites my post after your reply, sorry for the confusion...
Still makes no sense to me, will have to try it

 

[Brocky]

When you lift your foot the stretched out bungee cord pulls up the multi sender.

 

[Tree Access]

Thanks Brocky, the explanation couldnt be much simpler and clearer I still dont really bite on this, though the idea to use the multicender itself is so good!

 

[Lignotuber]

Video showing the technique from the you tube channel Zaccheus.

Yep, I'm just using an eye to eye and clipping to swivel on bridge separately from carabiner on multicender. Still working great, I walked about 80' up with it yesterday. Anyone else try it or have positive or negative input?

 

[Barc Buster]

I think I’m going to give this a try with stuff I already have laying around, but quick question where did you find a 24” factory sewn eye to eye prusik? That’s kind of an odd uncommon size.

 

[AdkEric]

Arbsession sells them in a few different flavors

I think I’m going to give this a try with stuff I already have laying around, but quick question where did you find a 24” factory sewn eye to eye prusik? That’s kind of an odd uncommon size.

 

[Crimsonking]

Video showing the technique from the you tube channel Zaccheus.

Couple thoughts:

- Is he really using less gear? Extra sling with no other super-practical uses, extra carabiner.

- Why not use an adjustable friction saver if you keep one with you? I have a 10mm FS that I use as redirects and such when not climbing MRS. It may work.

- Whatever the tether is, it should be something that is otherwise useful during the climb. Caveat: if it's being used for something else, you don't have your "knee ascender", if it's dedicated to ascending, it's extra gear hanging from the kit, which defeats one of the purposes.

- I see this method as a great technique for when the knee ascender is missing, or when teaching someone that doesn't have a knee ascender. Great to know, probably not going to change my general approach to ascending/climbing.

All said, thank you to those who are showcasing this technique. The more we know, the more situations we can tackle.

 

[Lignotuber]

Arbsession sells them in a few different flavors

Yep, I was going to splice it with some amsteel I had lying around but realized the eye to eye I keep on me was bout the same length.

 

[Lignotuber]

Couple thoughts:

- Is he really using less gear? Extra sling with no other super-practical uses, extra carabiner.

- Why not use an adjustable friction saver if you keep one with you? I have a 10mm FS that I use as redirects and such when not climbing MRS. It may work.

- Whatever the tether is, it should be something that is otherwise useful during the climb. Caveat: if it's being used for something else, you don't have your "knee ascender", if it's dedicated to ascending, it's extra gear hanging from the kit, which defeats one of the purposes.

- I see this method as a great technique for when the knee ascender is missing, or when teaching someone that doesn't have a knee ascender. Great to know, probably not going to change my general approach to ascending/climbing.

All said, thank you to those who are showcasing this technique. The more we know, the more situations we can tackle.

Thanks for the input, yeah I had purposely removed the y tube video. I agree about the extra gear, I use an eye to eye that I always kept on my harness for alternate purposes anyways. I always carry at least 1-3 extra biners as well. For me, it has replaced my knee ascender as of now. Slightly less comfortable/efficient but always on hand. If I was ascending 100+ feet or in a comp I would maybe consider busting out a knee ascender but I can't justify carrying it around at the moment. Cool trick to know in a pinch for anyone though.

 

[Lignotuber]

I think I’m going to give this a try with stuff I already have laying around, but quick question where did you find a 24” factory sewn eye to eye prusik? That’s kind of an odd uncommon size.

Yeah try with a short piece of cord or something. I used a whoopie sling to quickly dial in my length. Was going to splice a pice of 3mm amsteel before realizing I could just use the e2e.

 

[Lignotuber]

Quick update, I realized 24" eye 2 eye was too long for bull dog bone. I spliced a 3mm dyneema rope (sk75) to make a compact replacement and it's been working well. Tight eye on one side to avoid cross loading and large eye on the other to girth onto gyro..

 

[Vicente]

I've done something similar, I don't like it as much as using a knee ascender especially the way I have mine setup now. My knee ascender is currently setup with a piece of cordage, a climbing-innovations foot loop and side of the bungee from climbing innovations, and tubing the elastic through the tubing and that goes on the back of my saddle and the end going down to the knee ascender goes through my side D and down. I have way more travel for the knee ascender and it's not pulling on my shoulder and it's all below my working area.

 

[Lignotuber]

I've done something similar, I don't like it as much as using a knee ascender especially the way I have mine setup now. My knee ascender is currently setup with a piece of cordage, a climbing-innovations foot loop and side of the bungee from climbing innovations, and tubing the elastic through the tubing and that goes on the back of my saddle and the end going down to the knee ascender goes through my side D and down. I have way more travel for the knee ascender and it's not pulling on my shoulder and it's all below my working area.

Nice I remember seeing the tubing style ones around but never tried, I like the concept. This setup gives me about as much travel as I could ever want but the start is a little scrunched. Not an issue with my flexibility though. Overall I still like it more than other knee ascenders I've tried/made.

 

[Barc Buster]

Quick update, I realized 24" eye 2 eye was too long for bull dog bone. I spliced a 3mm dyneema rope (sk75) to make a compact replacement and it's been working well. Tight eye on one side to avoid cross loading and large eye on the other to girth onto gyro..View attachment 88129View attachment 88130

Is that like the 3/8 pelican on arbsession? I’ve been playing around with this the last couple days, and I have to say I’m liking it. I’ve been using some paracord but will be looking for a more permanent solution.

 

[Lignotuber]

Is that like the 3/8 pelican on arbsession? I’ve been playing around with this the last couple days, and I have to say I’m liking it. I’ve been using some paracord but will be looking for a more permanent solution.

3mm (5/32") dyneema by Samson. Made of dyneema, 12 strand and hollow, super easy to splice but slippery like Teflon and not good for knots. Bout 4000 lb mbs, I use the same stuff as a pull cord for big trees.

 

[Lignotuber]

Is that like the 3/8 pelican on arbsession? I’ve been playing around with this the last couple days, and I have to say I’m liking it. I’ve been using some paracord but will be looking for a more permanent solution.

Glad to hear you're liking it, it's worked excellent with akimbo, great with compact bull dog bone, and pretty good with a wrench. Not very good with HHFX due to the pivoting swing arm.