DMM Harness

[evo]

It's not like I've never used the side Ds. When I first started climbing, I didn't realize that you don't climb in a fall arrest harness, but that already had the Ds more forward, and when I finally realized that I needed to buy my first proper climbing saddle, I saw that all the fancy looking ones had very prominent lower Ds and and the bridge was clearly the primary connection, so it just made sense in my mind that the side Ds were generally just for side restraint in work positioning.

When I first got my spurs, I was so accustomed to having my lanyard on the lower Ds, it's just where I hooked it up from the start, and when I did start to wonder why guys were using the side Ds on modern harnesses, I tried it really briefly and thought it must be old habits/ingrained muscle memory and wrote it off. The old schoolers tried to show me the way they did it with a knot directly on the side D, but it was 98⁰ by 9:30 am, and I was just trying to get through this chubby codom incense cedar with a dead top, so I couldn't really focus on the differences, but it worked fine. That was the first time I got heat exhaustion, but telling the story, I remember thinking before I passed out that I should try that side D for spurring again.

Ahh the ole cats paw… gets the job done but f that…
Part of my dislike for lower dee’s it feel that level placement of the flip line is the most comfortable and it’s just too low to easily flip up a trunk.
Coming down or standing around it’s super comfy and more so with a vertical tip on your climbing line.
I also like more space between my climbing line and lanyard when chunking or gaffing up a tree. Keeping my rope on my bridge lower than my flip does this but means my flip line is on the hip dee’s

 

[Crimsonking]

On removals I'm switching back and forth from the hip D's to the lower D's, depending on the situation. Hip D's are way better on a spar and for fliplining up. Awkward positions I definitely prefer the lower's.

For trimming it's the lower D's for sure, with a swivel.

Ditto

 

[rico]

The old schoolers tried to show me the way they did it with a knot directly on the side D,

Its called a becket hitch/bend. Its been around since the dawn of time and is bulletproof and very effective when you need it.. Hell, I still use one when I get into very large timber and need to bust out my 7/8' manilla wire-core. Nothing like it for those times U need it...Hap Johnson approves this message

 

[Matias]

Its called a becket hitch/bend. Its been around since the dawn of time and is bulletproof and very effective when you need it.. Hell, I still use one when I get into very large timber and need to bust out my 7/8' manilla wire-core. Nothing like it for those times U need it...Hap Johnson approves this message

I really like the idea of having a big fat flipline for the big fat trees. You just undo the rope and twist it around the wire, then finish eyes like normal?

 

[rico]

I am generally not a fan of wire core but it's what I have in the 7/8" so I use it. My favorite is good old 3 strand as it rolls up a tree like nothing else (assuming you have good technique) and is super easy and cheap to make flip lines with. I make all the youngsters I work with use it because it forces them to learn proper technique unlike wire core which is a crutch which train folks to push their flip-line up a tree. No bueno..

A super quick one using 5/8" double braid. As you can see it rolls very nicely..

 

[Matias]

I am generally not a fan of wire core but it's what I have in the 7/8" so I use it. My favorite is good old 3 strand as it rolls up a tree like nothing else (assuming you have good technique) and is super easy and cheap to make flip lines with. I make all the youngsters I work with use it because it forces them to learn proper technique unlike wire core which is a crutch which train folks to push their flip-line up a tree. No bueno..

A super quick one using 5/8" double braid. As you can see it rolls very nicely..

I'll have to give it a shot

 

[Friedrich]

the new dmm kinisi pro is released. regular bridge but it seems that it is not possible to attach the bridge-adjuster to it, kinda lame.

 

[ghostice]

the new dmm kinisi pro is released. regular bridge but it seems that it is not possible to attach the bridge-adjuster to it, kinda lame.

The marketing/ product descriptions, at least on HB right now, are kinda lame - what's the difference between the two - spelled out clearly pls? You wouldn't easily know I don't think. Sorta like Land Rover - same name for the good old ones as for the new lame ones. Come on marketing . . . . and the HB reviews are they for the Max or the Pro? Same parts or different (never know these days)? If they're different, I might worry that one might be widely stocked and the other not so much? Hmmmm.

 

[ATH]

Saved $100 taking off the bridge adjuster

 

[Matias]

It appears to have the same sized opening on what looks to be the same forward Ds. Without a better picture/description, I wouldn't assume. Let's ask @Tr33Climb3r ?

 

[Boomslang]

I'm going to put on my jaded old man hat for a second. Am I the only one tired of companies tweaking one little thing so they can add another SKU to their lineup?

You can have the basic, light, standard, pro, expert, and Captain America version of everything now. Choice is good, but choice overload is a real thing.

 

[islandarb]

Lower D's are different. All else is same.

 

[islandarb]

Should be $600 not $800.

 

[ATH]

Should be $600 not $800.

$750 at Arbsession. That's $600 if it ever is on a 20% off sale. I'll be watching...

 

[islandarb]

$750 at Arbsession. That's $600 if it ever is on a 20% off sale. I'll be watching...

Not paying a dime more. Have a guy can score me a Max for 560. Checking on the pro. Hopefully under 450.

 

[Matias]

$750 at Arbsession. That's $600 if it ever is on a 20% off sale. I'll be watching...

Yea, that seems to me to be the way they price things anymore. It's the JCPenney model. Full retail is always set too high now, because everone usually waits for a good sale to buy the higher ticket items.

 

[Matias]

Not paying a dime more. Have a guy can score me a Max for 560. Checking on the pro. Hopefully under 450.

Landed?!? That seems impossible, though those seem like much more reasonable prices. I know R&D ain't free, but $850 seems like these companies are just trying to see how high they can go before the price kills sales.

 

[ghostice]

On the other hand, if $$$ is what's needed to get a better product going from a "boutique" manufacturer of climbing gear I sorta don't mind a higher price a bit. To keep things in perspective, Beddes had said that development of the harness was self financed. Ouch. So hope they got back what they put into it. Even DMM or Notch in the scheme of global things are not huge companys really (used to work on process plant designs that started at 5 or 6 Billion dollars US and went up - sometimes way up - from there). Some are now 25 and 30 Billion US. That's getting into money. Even a private jet these days is 3 - 5 million and up from there. But I just want to be clear on what I'm paying for, what is different between models of things and (hopefully) I can add or delete things (I really don't need a car or truck with lane departure sensors and cameras and . . . but would be really really happy if they just didn't rust and could even be OK with roll up/down windows). Just want clarity. Look at some of the vendors pages and see how many harnesses there are these days (do we see a comparison chart coming somewhere?)! Must be spare parts inventory nightmare for them. Which comes with a cost too. And I guess looking at my first Kinisi, it says it's built for 10 yrs. So maybe this is a bit like German tin - costly but sounds so nice when you close the door and drive it. It is a really nice comfy harness.

My big question is - when are the suspenders coming?????

Cheers all

 

[Matias]

On the other hand, if $$$ is what's needed to get a better product going from a "boutique" manufacturer of climbing gear I sorta don't mind a higher price a bit. To keep things in perspective, Beddes had said that development of the harness was self financed. Ouch. So hope they got back what they put into it. Even DMM or Notch in the scheme of global things are not huge companys really (used to work on process plant designs that started at 5 or 6 Billion dollars US and went up - sometimes way up - from there). Some are now 25 and 30 Billion US. That's getting into money. Even a private jet these days is 3 - 5 million and up from there. But I just want to be clear on what I'm paying for, what is different between models of things and (hopefully) I can add or delete things (I really don't need a car or truck with lane departure sensors and cameras and . . . but would be really really happy if they just didn't rust and could even be OK with roll up/down windows). Just want clarity. Look at some of the vendors pages and see how many harnesses there are these days (do we see a comparison chart coming somewhere?)! Must be spare parts inventory nightmare for them. Which comes with a cost too. And I guess looking at my first Kinisi, it says it's built for 10 yrs. So maybe this is a bit like German tin - costly but sounds so nice when you close the door and drive it. It is a really nice comfy harness.

My big question is - when are the suspenders coming?????

Cheers all

Won't the TM suspenders fit it for now?

 

[Matias]

The kinisi has the connection points for suspenders, and they seem to be a blend of the MB and TM design/locations. Its the 3-point like the TM, but the way they connect at the upper Ds works with the MB2.0 suspender geometry perfectly. It feels like they didn't want to do anything official and have it set up for folks to just keep buying MB suspenders, as they have basically been encouraged to do since they came out with the sewn strap to connect the MB 4-point to the TM's 3-point connections.