dead wooding the tree

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chad

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anyone out there use the term "deadwooding" as in to get all the dead wood out of a tree. different from crown cleaning in that your only climbing objective is to remove the dead wood. my boss is from chicago area and called deadwooding an incorrect southern term. well, guess what, he lives here in the south now and i think the term, while not official, is still a viable term. the other 3 members on the crew i work with use deadwooding also and are all from the south. just curious if that term is used anywhere else.
 
We use the term deadwooding all of the time. A lot of people in the mountains call us to remove the deadwood from their ponderosa pines. I guess that is how it got started in my area.
 
Since when is Virginia 'South'? It's north of the Mason-Dixon line, isn't it?
Having lived in Florida all my life, every treeman I know uses the term 'deadwooding'. It is common language on quotes/ proposals. Even big national companies here use the term in their contracts. Typical language specifies what size deadwood as well, usually to 1" (although I can't help but knock out most of the dead twigs from the tips also).
 
Here in central Kansas, we also use the term "dead wood," although I am not exactly sure that it is a very professional expression. I think its OK to use as slang amongst fellow arborists, but it just doesn't sound descriptive enough for use with customers. Its so much easier to say "We can dead wood your trees for $200." - Rather than "We will remove all of the dead and decaying branches in your trees for $200." That doesn't mean we should assume that everyone knows that expression, though. Its funny that this post came up, because I have wondered about how many people use the term as well. I guess now we'll find out!
 
The term “deadwood” isn't accurate, although it is still used. The proper description is dead branch. There are those that still talk about "feeding" trees instead of fertilization. The list of misused terms is long (bleeding trees, root flare, healing trees, etc.) but as professionals we should strive to use the correct words.
 
there are a lot of different terms picked up over the years but it is best to keep up with the times .all pruning standards are based on ansi z133 . some of the new terms would be instead of saying deadwood oak tree right rear corner the new term would be perform a hazzard reduction pruning to one 36 inch DBH oak tree in right rear corner. the terms have been changed to be more in compliance with the actual work being performed in the tree and by todays modern practices . but it is also in place to provide a standardization for the terms in our industry so a guy from chicago can speak to a guy from down south without any confusion on what his translation of a similar pruning type is . And to top it off if used properly the terms can even make it easier to convey to the customer what it is exactly that you propose to do to her tree such as when you say mam i am gonna deadwood that oak tree she says well it cant be that much work involved because the tree is still alive and worth keeping so it does no justice in providing a value to all the hard work and labor you have to do in providing this task. now when you say i am gonna perform a hazzard reduction pruning on that oak tree as simple as it sounds it is providing more information to the customer that they can understand the words hazzard reduction register in thier minds because we not only prune trees to make them healthy and clean we also prune them to remove large dead branches so they do not fall and injure someone or break something that is underneath it. I certainly am not saying that there is only one term or that its purpose is a selling point or as soon as you start using these terms your business is going to grow ten fold all i am saying is it is all about being a professional following standardized practices because too many people see arborists as a bunch of web toed billy bobs that left school in 9th grade to pursue their life long dream in working for the circus its about breaking the mold of the old world tree worker and stepping into the future of the new age arborist.
 
Pretty much, know the standards, use the standards and then put it in terms your customer can understand.

I say "Prune out dead, dying and or hazardous branches blah blah inches in diam. in Pin Oak at RR corner" if it's not the only one to be done. If it's the only one I would go alittle more in detail. To the guys I'm working with " we're doing some deadwooding and a little pruny pruny".

My guys know exactly what I'm talking about as the know about proper terms. We use Deadwooding all the time amongst piers and customers too, but will expand so the customer has a better idea.

It's also good to write it in exact terms so you and the customer are on the same page about what work is actually going to be done. It's like going to a resturant and saying "well while I'm here and I just ordered a burger I'll take a coke and some fries for free...oh i'll take some pie too". Know what I mean..." Oh could you cut that one little branch back just a little more...bout 60 or so feet up...you see the one I'm talking about?
Later
 
Somehow, through this thread, I got interested in the Mason-Dixon line issue. After researching it for a minute, here is the map:
masondixon.jpg


I once heard that part of NJ was divided. Turns out that the line was first said to be the 40* line, which would include the lower third of NJ. Later, it was ruled right where the map shows it. Just figured I'd share that?
 
ANSI Z133.1-2000 are the safety requirements. ANSI A300 (Part I)- 2001 Pruning covers the standard practices for pruning.

A300 5.6 states "Specifications for pruning should consist of, but are not limited to, one or more of the following types..." It goes on to list 5.6.1 Clean; 5.6.2 Thin; 5.6.3 Raise and 5.6.4 Reduce. "...selective pruning to remove... dead...branches" is included in the description of 'Clean' (5.6.1).

I still use the term 'deadwood'.

Mahk
 
just for a note of clarity... i agree some terms we use in the field, possibly such as deadwooding, should not be used with the client. i would not use this term with a client, nor expect to see it written on a work order. however i placed this question more or less to inquire its use as a regional field term, where i do believe, especially after all the responses, that it is an acceptable term. the term deadwood is an abbreviation term for arborists, not necessarily professional jargon. i know many of you said we should usemore professional terminology and i agree, but i at the job site i would not say to my fellow climbers "our prunning objectives are to remove all dead, diseased and dying branches, reduce weight on the lower laterals over the... etc." its more like " deadwood it, clean it and take some weight off over the house etc." some of this is regional as well and that is why i asked. like in the south one says y'all or elsewhere its youins, you guys, youts, but the proper comes out as you all, all of you etc.
by the way, i like mark's graphics on the map and under your name and wonder how to do all that fancy stuff with the computer.
 
Terms

I, too, use the term Deadwooding, although I've now been corrected my my esteemed collegue, Tim Walsh :) Since I've lived and
worked in MN my whole life, it can also be a Northern, well, make that, Midwestern term.
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Mark Knopfler - Sailing To Philadelphia
From the album "Sailing To Philadelphia"

I am Jeremiah Dixon
I am a Geordie boy
A glass of wine with you, sir
And the ladies I'll enjoy
All Durham and Northumberland
Is measured up by my own hand
It was my fate from birth
To make my mark upon the earth...

He calls me Charlie Mason
A stargazer am I
It seems that I was born
To chart the evening sky
They'd cut me out for baking bread
But I had other dreams instead
This baker's boy from the west country
Would join the Royal Society...

We are sailing to Philadelphia
A world away from the coaly Tyne
Sailing to Philadelphia
To draw the line
A Mason-Dixon Line

Now you're a good surveyor, Dixon
But I swear you'll make me mad
The West will kill us both
You gullible Geordie lad
You talk of liberty
How can America be free
A Geordie and a baker's boy
In the forests of the Iroquois...

Now hold your head up, Mason
See America lies there
The morning tide has raised
The capes of Delaware
Come up and feel the sun
A new morning has begun
Another day will make it clear
Why your stars should guide us here...

We are sailing to Philadelphia
A world away from the coaly Tyne
Sailing to Philadelphia
To draw the line
A Mason-Dixon Line
 
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