Ordered a MS201TC from Mastermind Worksaws.
Current 70 cc Class Saw Quality
- Thread starter Ragnar
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Ordered a MS201TC from Mastermind Worksaws.
hseII
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MS261 is a good middle for me between the felling saws, MS461, & top handles.
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chiselbit
Been here a while
I have 2 of the same. You’ll like it.
Matias
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- Butte County
I simply made a nice exhaust port on my 2511, and afterward, instantly wanted to have every saw fully ported.
I'm excited. Is that who you buy most of your ported saws from?
chiselbit
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I have several from Randy and several from other porters. He builds good strong reliable saws. I’ve never had any problems with any of his saws.
chiselbit
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You are close to me, we have a local guy here who is building strong saws, let me know if you want to talk to him
Matias
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- Butte County
I figured I would hit you up when the time came. I gotta finish my house, and then recover a little, and I'll be ready to invest further in my setup
Barc Buster
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You won’t be dissatisfied with a mastermind saw. I have a few by him. I also have a few more done by Kevin Lavanway aka XS saws.
sup Heath
Ported it runs a 25 like a boss, but i usually just run a 20 on mine.
evo
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Shit, I think that description just sold me a 400. Out of all the saws I’ve used and owned my 440 was hands down the absolute best saw.
Back on topic. I’d hold onto the 460, it’s in a funny class between the 44’s and 66’s
Those in between saws seem to have power to weight ratios that aren’t quite the best.
There is no substitute for displacement
Yes in a general sense there is absolutely nothing wrong with newer saws. Other than the 201’s while it’s likely the best available top handle it is no comparison to a 020t nor 200t
Chris Schultz
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@evo A modded 400 from Buxton is 1500 out the door/shipped. I agree with what you say about the top handles, but a modded 201 is pretty close with a 200t IMO….. I still find myself gravitating towards the 200t these days.. it’s just got that good ol snort to it.
Serf Life
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- Maine Island
How much w/ b+c?
Were talking about 70cc saws and there is no talk of the 572Xp?
I have spent a fair amount of time with the 400 and it is a nice little saw, but in its stock form it certainly can't pull like a stock 572Xp. Not even close. I frequently run a 32" on my stock 572. Good luck pulling that off with a stock 400.
AdkEric
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Ordered one a couple weeks ago from Mastermind. Should be here early February. I've run them stock and I was impressed, so I'm really looking forward to a ported unit.
Shadowscape
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- far north
I have used a 36" on my 372 from time to time with a skip tooth chain and have had no problems. Normally it carries a 24", and it is a powerhouse for most large wood in this part of the country. I do have a 592 XP with a light 32" bar I pull out when I'm feeling like "Ultraman" and willing to take on anything that comes along, but in reality, it rarely gets used.
Even with those saws, I seem to levitate toward my old Jonsered 2165 most of the time. Was ported, timed, and exhaust mod. back when it was new. It is all beat up and sports a Husky 372 clutch cover because I smashed the Jonsered one. It was on my 4 wheeler when I did a summersault and bent the bar 90 degrees to the powerhead. I dropped it out of a tree and right into the lake when it was running. It is a Timex saw that just keeps going with all the umph I need. Recently gave it a new Sugi 24" bar for its 20th birthday.
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Serf Life
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Haven’t run either, 400 is 66.8cc 12.8lb and 572 is 70.7cc 14.5lb
AdkEric
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The 400 is a ripper, no doubt. I've got some time running a former coworker's with a 25" bar and a BarkBox. Impressive saw and very quick revving.
I paid $1,150, assumed that is coming with a bar and chain but didn't think to ask ask and looking at the emails it doesn't specify one way or the other.
And one will pull a 32" like a champ and one will fall apart with a 32". Thats why I don't look at numbers when I am running and/or buying saws, and instead let real world performance be my guide. The 400 simply can't stand up to the power, balls, and grunt of the 572XP. To me the 400 is much more akin to the 562XP
Barc Buster
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I mentioned the 572 a few comments back. It’s a great saw with nice smooth av. The 400 isn’t technically a 70cc saw at 67cc. It’s really a 60cc chassis saw with 70cc power. I wouldn’t run anything more than 25” on it. A good ported one can pull 28” but the chassis just isn’t made for it. It would be like hanging a 28 on a 562. Not ideal. The 400 really shines here in the Midwest on a spar after the top handle gets sent down. More than 25” and there are better choices.
