critical criticism

[data farm 26]

I call it a peel cut, use it sometimes. Nature's rigging rope!

 

[southsoundtree]

I call it a peel cut, use it sometimes. Nature's rigging rope!

I will, commonly.



The caveat about avoiding the risk of peeling limbs catching ropes is spot-on.

It's an extra procedure to move a lanyard above a limb being peeled, but well worth it.

I normally have a climbing line advanced above my work area, so that's already clear.

 

[Daniel]

There's no way to get this kind of slow and gentle movement with an undercut. And the straight cut is much faster and easier to make...

Here's a video I published in 2018, but probably cut the tree around 2012-14
Goes ito some specific details on advantages of the rip cut

 

[Steve Connally]

I noticed all of those things as well and had the same thought. And I know Dan is here to stir the pot, so I wasn't really interested in playing safety inspector on other guys videos and on this post, but... here I am. (August uses his ZigZag on spars the same way all the time... I use the TreeSqueeze so I'm choked on the stem and always able to DRT to the ground)

Yep. I don't usually pick apart videos but...........the Z actually has a paragraph about tie in on spars that addresses this. I usually get a dumb stare when I mention it and get the "really?" response when I say it's in there.

 

[Dan Thornton]

Here's a video I published in 2018, but probably cut the tree around 2012-14
Goes ito some specific details on advantages of the rip cut

Thanks for the explanations about the rip cut. Makes sense.

 

[data farm 26]

Yep. I don't usually pick apart videos but...........the Z actually has a paragraph about tie in on spars that addresses this. I usually get a dumb stare when I mention it and get the "really?" response when I say it's in there.

The logical reason that i can see for choking the stem is so that you don't slide down if you gaff out or, maybe more important, to egress. I used to think that it was to avoid the 'circle of death' but thinking a little further I don't think it would help much if the stem split... just thinking out loud here. What's the official reason for recommending the choke?

 

[Daniel]

Yep. I don't usually pick apart videos but...........the Z actually has a paragraph about tie in on spars that addresses this. I usually get a dumb stare when I mention it and get the "really?" response when I say it's in there.

Videos are great teaching pieces... especially when analyzed by someone who knows better. There's plenty of what to do info out there... often as important is what NOT to do and why not...

This one doesn't need much explanation: called WHY NOT TO TIP TIE BIG WOOD

THIS ONES CALLED WHY NOT TO HIRE A PAINTER:

 

[evo]

There's no way to get this kind of slow and gentle movement with an undercut. And the straight cut is much faster and easier to make...

Here's a video I published in 2018, but probably cut the tree around 2012-14
Goes ito some specific details on advantages of the rip cut

Sometimes I’ll shave the bottom of the limb flat, taking the end of the cut just into the bottom of the collar and just nip it.

 

[27RMT0N]

The logical reason that i can see for choking the stem is so that you don't slide down if you gaff out or, maybe more important, to egress. I used to think that it was to avoid the 'circle of death' but thinking a little further I don't think it would help much if the stem split... just thinking out loud here. What's the official reason for recommending the choke?

Yah, so you don't slide down the trunk if you gaff out. Observe:

 

[evo]

The logical reason that i can see for choking the stem is so that you don't slide down if you gaff out or, maybe more important, to egress. I used to think that it was to avoid the 'circle of death' but thinking a little further I don't think it would help much if the stem split... just thinking out loud here. What's the official reason for recommending the choke?

That or ‘circle of death’ reverse barber chair situation

 

[Steve Connally]

The logical reason that i can see for choking the stem is so that you don't slide down if you gaff out or, maybe more important, to egress. I used to think that it was to avoid the 'circle of death' but thinking a little further I don't think it would help much if the stem split... just thinking out loud here. What's the official reason for recommending the choke?

Pretty much. I watched somebody ride their climbing line to the ground. They got really lucky. Essentially its just having 2 flip lines at that point. Just a second one thats really long.

 

[Mick Dempsey]

I never choke the trunk, flipline and lifeline as a secondary.
You don’t slide down the trunk (under normal circumstance) you just face plant a bit.

 

[DSMc]

Interesting, Mick. I always choke my climbing line on a spar removal. So simple with SRT no reason not to. I don't, however, do it for fear of sliding down the trunk in case of gaff-out, that is easily stopped with proper technique. I do it to have instant access to the ground if the need should arise.

 

[Stumpsprouts]

Videos are great teaching pieces... especially when analyzed by someone who knows better. There's plenty of what to do info out there... often as important is what NOT to do and why not...

This one doesn't need much explanation: called WHY NOT TO TIP TIE BIG WOOD

THIS ONES CALLED WHY NOT TO HIRE A PAINTER:

I love tip tying big wood. When you have the appropriate rigging points, angles, and work positioning.

 

[Stumpsprouts]

I never choke the trunk, flipline and lifeline as a secondary.
You don’t slide down the trunk (under normal circumstance) you just face plant a bit.

How do you folks come down the stem for the fell if you aren’t choked in?

 

[Daniel]

Yah, so you don't slide down the trunk if you gaff out. Observe:

This is a great example of breaking down a video for educational purposes..

the other day this crew I was subbing for nearly chipped the lowering line ( I would never let these guys chip if I had a climbing line on the ground).. I tried to explain to the hispanic groundies how bad chipping ropes can be... they were blowing it off until I showed them a video of the dummie gettign sucked into the chipper.

 

[Daniel]

I love tip tying big wood. When you have the appropriate rigging points, angles, and work positioning.

I see a lot of needless tip tying on YT videos...

The most famous of which almost killed Cory (human).. 6" from death... he was Likely trying to emulate the tip tying he'd seen done by August, much of which is also needless IMnotsohumbleO

It has it's place if you need clearance or are taking big wood, but much of it is just wasting time and needlessly dangrous. WHen I cut and rig I like to see the piece go down and away!

 

[data farm 26]

Yah, so you don't slide down the trunk if you gaff out. Observe:

that is insane, those dudes are cowboys holy smokes

 

[evo]

How do you folks come down the stem for the fell if you aren’t choked in?

When I started out it was pretty common to lay your climbing line in two little notches in the top of the spar.
Rappel on a double rope while keeping your flip line around the stem
Either that or just spur down.

 

[southsoundtree]

Interesting, Mick. I always choke my climbing line on a spar removal. So simple with SRT no reason not to. I don't, however, do it for fear of sliding down the trunk in case of gaff-out, that is easily stopped with proper technique. I do it to have instant access to the ground if the need should arise.

without your rope needing to move. Any snag-up, a log that rolled onto a rope, a twist that catches a stub (not always removing all stubs, such as when doing hanger removal after a storm) that stops your MRS tail will prevent you from getting to the ground.