Crane Rules...

Jeff said:
"A load should never be raised or swung over people..."
So, after every cut, the crane op has to hold the load in place (not raise or swing) until the climber comes down out of the tree? This is AWESOME! You'll turn that 2 hour crane removal job into 3 full days of work! (and bill accordingly!):bananahappy:
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when you are a guest at a chemical plant you have to obey their rules or get them to make concessions for special circomstances ahead of time.
 
  1. 2 years ago I did a job and they weren't going to let me ride the crane. Same situation with the safety class and all. It took 3 days and a resume put together by the contractor I was working with which included videos of work Ive done and a copy of the ansi z and Best crane practices(cant remember who authored it:)....at the final meeting the question was asked "What happens if he gets hurt doing it our way after he has shown us he had a better way within industry standards. A phone call was made and 30 minutes later I was approved to use the crane to hoist me into the tree...with a few restrictions.
  2. It is a small step but I believe if we can get these jobs approved eventually we can set ourselves apart from the construction standards. The key in my opinion is to not be negative. Always approach it in a positive manner with professionalism and be willing to make the small concessions to show our industry in a positive professional light.
 
allmark said:
  1. 2 years ago I did a job and they weren't going to let me ride the crane. Same situation with the safety class and all. It took 3 days and a resume put together by the contractor I was working with which included videos of work Ive done and a copy of the ansi z and Best crane practices(cant remember who authored it:)....at the final meeting the question was asked "What happens if he gets hurt doing it our way after he has shown us he had a better way within industry standards. A phone call was made and 30 minutes later I was approved to use the crane to hoist me into the tree...with a few restrictions.
  2. It is a small step but I believe if we can get these jobs approved eventually we can set ourselves apart from the construction standards. The key in my opinion is to not be negative. Always approach it in a positive manner with professionalism and be willing to make the small concessions to show our industry in a positive professional light.
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X2 exact same thing happened here
 
I don't think a tagline on every load is needed. I may be picking over wires and a tagline hanging down would mean I would need to lift higher to clear them as the piece was lifted over. This may cause a decrease in capacity not needed in certain setups.
 
Jeff said:
According to OSHA Regulations, (Standards - 29 CFR) 1926.1426 "The use of equipment in which the boom is designed to free fall (live boom) is prohibited in each of the following circumstances:
1926.1426(a)(1)(vi)Lifting operations are taking place in a refinery or tank farm."

Since Mark mentioned DuPont, that sure sounds like a refinery/tank farm to me.
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cranes have not had live booms in years. everything in power up and down.
 
allmark said:
I don't think a tagline on every load is needed. I may be picking over wires and a tagline hanging down would mean I would need to lift higher to clear them as the piece was lifted over. This may cause a decrease in capacity not needed in certain setups.
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if you are a guest in a facility, you abide by their rules. if they want a tagline, put a short piece of rope on the cut piece before you fly it. doesn't do anything, but shows the safety guy you are complying and he leaves you alone. why spit into the wind? to the normal crane operators that do taxi work every day, this is why we contend with in industry. the tree crane world fights reality every day, and you are not going to win when you are a guest in someone else's sandbox. comply or say goodbye!
 
I am not looking to argue but there are many cranes that are still using live booms. Not in our industry but they are in the construction industry.
In the long run you may have to abide by the rules on a companies site...but.. I have successfully discussed and been able to get exceptions on such sites after explaining and providing information to those companies better and safer ways to do the work within our guidelines. Its worth trying to change them but ultimately we need to do it there way if it is the only way they will accept providing we can do it safely.
 
allmark said:
I am not looking to argue but there are many cranes that are still using live booms. Not in our industry but they are in the construction industry.
In the long run you may have to abide by the rules on a companies site...but.. I have successfully discussed and been able to get exceptions on such sites after explaining and providing information to those companies better and safer ways to do the work within our guidelines. Its worth trying to change them but ultimately we need to do it there way if it is the only way they will accept providing we can do it safely.
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allmark, what do you mean by live booms? if we are talking about the same thing, they have been prohibited by OSHA for quite a while now.
 
My understanding of a live boom is one which is raised with a winch line and has a foot brake to lower the boom
 
Keeth said:
Will they accept the ANSI standards? I worked for a group that had an employee who was a former OSHA man. He was constantly trying to impose compliance rules on us until I pulled out the Standards and explained how our rules were industry generated. We finally came to terms, but it would not have worked without having the Standards and Best Practices in hand.
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Companies must follow OSHA 1926 or 1910, or similar state rules to protect their employees. ANSI are guidelines, and no one is legally required to follow them unless they are referred to in Code. So while you can toot the ANSI exemptions all you want, they are toothless.
 
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