Clock Knot = Junk

The way you have the sling/porty set up in the first picture:
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Could you, or would you hook the porty to ONE leg of the sling? That would allow the sling to choke the trunk.

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Let me tell you something clown . Don't be afraid to tie a knot tight , push ups help. I don't mind a little stretch in the sling , lets the notch work on some cuts. Junk , cmon now , tell me how you really feel . I'm a big fan of European Tree practices.

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From reading your posts I have a mental image of you as a drink sodden ex-climber parading around TreeBuzz like some kind of demented bag lady,
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and if that is the best response you can come up with then the Clock knot is a lot worse than I thought. Not only is it a failure in reality, its a failure on paper to.
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Tock,

I've used the Clock many times but I use it with the FOS so the loop is perpendicular to the PAW which will make a difference. It's worked superbly for me.

If the trunk has taper above the anchor point I've found that a timber hitch will tend to roll up too.

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Yeah....might buy a FOS, there everywhere in the UK these days, see more of them than you do Buck Portys.

As for the Clock, its inherently flawed. I'm surprised you use it at all. Re Timber hitch - I agree but at least it has a cinching mechanism. Most of the time I use the Cow Hitch or Whoopee sling.

I feel using a secure method of attachment for the Porty far outweighs any apparent benefits that the Clock has. Its a great example of what can happen if no-one stands up and says, 'hey guys....wait a minute....this really is a bad idea'.

Well....you obviously like it, so take care and watch out for it sliding up the stem.
 
Hey folks, please, tone it down.

If our present tools and techniques were totally satisfactory there would be no need for discussion. We'd be done. No innovation. One book, one school, one way. These forums would then be filled with other stuff rather than raising a level of craftsmanship.

With folks trading barbs there is no way we can get to, much less keep, a discussion in a high level.

Like this line from Bob Dylan,
"We just saw it from a different point of view."
I thought he said, and maybe its more appropriate and versitile,
"We just suffered from a different point of view."
 
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If our present tools and techniques were totally satisfactory there would be no need for discussion. We'd be done. No innovation. One book, one school, one way.

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Maybe Riggs could write a new arb book entitled,

'Git 'R' Done - a Guide to Aggressive Treework'

Who knows...might even be a best seller on the Arb Charts?

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hold up son , ex climber . Bring your game over the pond , fourteen to forty you'd still be my groundman . That first picture you posted riding up the trunk , loose tie, man . C''mon , tie any sling loose and it will run . Plus you didn't listen "TOCK" I said I only use it on large diameter trunks . This game gets complicated , let me know when your done practicing . I never have slings ride up a trunk . ever , but not never . Tockmal = Punk; re post this , and come back with some professionalism . Oh yeah , coil my rope while your at it ! don't forget to blow the driveway .
 
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Like this line from Bob Dylan,
"We just saw it from a different point of view."
I thought he said, and maybe its more appropriate and versitile,
"We just suffered from a different point of view."

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hold up son

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Ok Dad
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. Bring your game over the pond , fourteen to forty you'd still be my groundman .

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Sure, I'll ground for you, no problem...but I ain't putting up with any of your 'Clock' nonsense, I'll be using a Cow Hitch.


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That first picture you posted riding up the trunk , loose tie, man . C''mon , tie any sling loose and it will run .

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Lets face it Riggs, a porty attachment should be self tightening, this is where the Clock fails miserably. If it aint choking the trunk, its useless. Ever see a loose GRCS?


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Plus you didn't listen "TOCK" I said I only use it on large diameter trunks .

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Yeah and that was about it, you said this, "The Clock knot is the best way , put your money on it ." in your usual dogmatic fashion.

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This game gets complicated , let me know when your done practicing .

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I'm never done practicing Riggs, always trying new things out, always trying to find a safer more efficient way of doing treework.


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I never have slings ride up a trunk . ever

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Thats cause your never on the ground, right? I bet your groundies have seen a few Clocks ride up the stem, but didn't say anything cause they know only too well that you've convinced yourself the Clock is a great technique.

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Tockmal = Punk; re post this , and come back with some professionalism .

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Maybe it wasn't professional to call this thread Clock Knot = Junk, but I think I'm a professional and have the right to call this technique junk cause thats what it is.

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Oh yeah , coil my rope while your at it ! don't forget to blow the driveway .

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I've already coiled it and blown the driveway, I'm sitting in the truck one step ahead of you as usual.
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Yo Tockmal , I bet if you tied a knot with a woman it come undone too ! I never said it was the best technique , It is the best way to tie a port a wrap around a large tree(amsteel sling) . I never seen what happened to your mess happen to me or my groundmen ( which you would be ) The GRCS , what are you gonna tell me about that ? Different subject . You are a junior rigger with limited experience and an ahole with lots of experience. Sorry but MattP will work with you . And Tockmal how many internet names do you need ? Just curious , are those walls cushioned ? don't take the methadone.
 
Oh would the pair of you settle down!
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A woopie sling is the simplest and best option bar none, of course you need to be able to rig without one but prior planing and organisation are a big part of what we do...all of us.
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