Climbing in Germany Outlawed?

I dont know off any letter of that such nature Nathan, am still waiting to my medical (H9) for the GB berufsgenossenschaft, I am working here as a normal employee. Been back here a year and a half now. We dont seem to get any letters passed on to us all. The most that pass through here are independants as you say Nathan, is just interesting to know what the regs are, cheers for the info.

One last ? how long is a NPTC valid for while working over here, mine are now 11 years old (Pre 97)and would need to do refresher courses in the UK to update them would I have to a SKT course for chainsaw operations here in Germany to properly comply with regs.....

Scotty
 
I'll dig up something Mangoes give me a day or so.

Geez, I am no authority on the NPTC tickets, but my last coworker for England had lived in Germany for 8yrs and they no longer honored his NPTC tickets. He did like I did and just took the B, skipping the A and the chainsaw course. That could also have had something to do with the fact that we do city work and the city didn't honor the NPTC tickets. The city here makes us jump through all kinds of hoops. Thats ok, they play their games, I play mine.

I need a new H9, they are only good for 2 years.
 
Thanks Nathan for the info again, we mainly do 90% private work which is better for us all here and 10% Stadt work. And have never been questioned over chainsaw certificates.

From talking on this subject today at work, I believe the original post subject has something related to the European Arboriculture Council, an article which was entered into Arb News 2 years back I believe, which John Hartill was quoted on. Raising the points of how more important a climber is a tree while working. From 1 dimension of the bucket truck to the 3 dimensional ability of having a climber in the tree. Though the the post subject was from an recent editorial in TCI. Its an on going matter that raises issues within the industry.

From what believe here in Germany, that if a tree is in a workable position by using a highworker/bucket truck, use one basically. Rules and Regs will cripple us all eventually.

Scotty
 
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From what believe here in Germany, that if a tree is in a workable position by using a highworker/bucket truck, use one basically. Rules and Regs will cripple us all eventually.

Scotty

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And cripple the trees with the convenience pruning nemesis.
 
Scotty your second link is dead but I found this main index of stuff

http://www.google.com/u/HSEC?q=arborists&sa=Go

Also, read this one

http://www.hse.gov.uk/agriculture/pdf/arboct05.pdf

Here's an extract:-

What happens when it all goes wrong?

In 2004/05 three people were killed while involved in arboriculture.A 25-year-old self-employed tree surgeon died after being struck by a branch. He wascutting a branch when his saw became trapped under the weight, pulling him downwardsas the branch fell. The branch rebounded and hit him as he fell. It is thought that the anchor point gave way as the branch pulled the tree surgeon and chainsaw downwards.

A 50-year-old tree surgeon cut his arm and face with a top handled chainsaw whilecutting branches. He was untrained, using unsuitable equipment and free climbing in thetree, cutting as he went. No one was available or trained to get him down or to effect anaerial rescue. He was eventually rescued from the tree by the Fire Brigade butsubsequently died in hospital from his injuries.

A 61-year-old employee was felling a tree in the back garden of a domestic residentialproperty when the tree fell and crushed him. There was little clearance between the treeand a fence at the bottom of the garden and his colleague was unable to control thedirection of the fall. After trimming off side branches he made a cut at the front of the treeand a further felling cut at the back, but misjudged the cut and left an uneven hinge. Thetree fell unexpectedly sideways and because of the absence of an adequate escaperoute, fell on top of him, causing fatal crushing injuries.

Inspectors have also been busy taking action against arborists who are not complyingwith the law. A total of nine Prohibition Notices and over 20 Improvement Notices havebeen issued in the year since Arb News was last published. The issues covered included:

●chainsaws being used by untrained operators often without the correct PPE;

●tree work being carried out without anyone being available to carry out aerial rescue;

●LOLER inspections not being carried out;

●not having adequate arrangements in place to ensure safe working of multi-site teams;

●insufficient arrangements for lone workers;

●incorrect or no signage particularly for roadside working.

And here where I live in Queensland Australia we do not yet have a specified criteria for our industry ... like I've said before, cowboy county.

The amazing part is how the slow pokes and govt are at simply copying the wheel from elsewhere rather than trying to reinvent it!

In fact, if you go to our govts website http://www.dir.qld.gov.au/index.htm and search for arborist, tree work, tree climber etc ... nothing comes up!! Could it possibly mean that they consider we have the common sense req'd and don't need all those regs? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Didn't you just cut yourself recently ... bad? Hmmm. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 

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Your timing was incredibly bad .... poor bugger, I just couldn't let that one go. Got some healing pics?

Hey, we got regs on topping though!
 
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Pete how many stiches? Good luck back at work. Yours was one nasty gash.
 
I wouldn't be so keen on regs. They aren't what they are cracked up to be. Suppose they require you to employ 2 certified climbers like here in Germany? Or they ban the use of foam or the one handed saw use you are so keen of?

What if they were to ban the use of spikes for cleaning palms?

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Yeah, that would be bad ... no foam! WTF, might as well cut me arm off ... one handing, I'll buy a fake and glue it to the saw handle that'll fool them.

And that would be great if they banned the use of spikes for cleaning palms .... hoorah, can still spike ya TD's and there'll be a boom of conversions.

Common sense ... no worries mate, we're Australian.
 
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I just mean that regulations does not = logic, common sense, or safety. That and they are often put in place by people who work in offices and know more than people who are forced to climb trees for a living.....
 
Can't believe it was an "article" . More like an opinion column. " A German worker has a better chance of coming home from work safe" Give me a break. From what I read they are fifty years behind (the eight ball) . That is a cool bucket , but if that is all they use , there must be alot of tree work not getting done. Be a young German "outlaw climber" how cool would that be ?
The underground climbing crew . We can't get our bucket to it , but I know a guy who knows a guy who knows this guy that will rip that tree apart , than skate outta town. Sounds like there is some mad money to be made.
 

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