check out this nasty rotten crotch!

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If it was me I'd of said whatever Dudete, don't be such a panty wad. Along with cut the danm thing down or reduce by 2/3rds. Mian option cut it down you girl scout your just milking the money.

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Can someone open a window, please?

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I'd let it get to full leaf and set a tent up for Guy to spend the summer under it!

That is one issue that the owner MUST acknowlwdge when they plant formal rows, WHAT to do when they start to decline.
 
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When DO you do a removal?

I'd cut that that sucker in a New York minute.

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I never said that this is my decision. That's the whole point of the thread. I happen to agree with you, but I will need to know ALL the options to push this one through. Like many places the decision makers here are not necesarilly the most informed.

Dude.
 
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Oh really? Is that what you're doing on this thread - saying 'whatever'? Maybe it's time to practice what you preach.

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Hmmmm. Trying to find the safest, most effective way of giving a client what they want is 'milking the money'? Interesting theory.


It's too bad. We were actually having intelligent dialogue about the tree in question before this degenerated into name-calling. Thanks for dumbing it up.

Hollenreich, I used to think that you were one of the many highly experienced people on this site, but then THAT post is all you had to contribute to the topic?!?
What a shame.
 
You've been Hollied.

My professional take on the tree situation is to recommend removal to the owner. Too much liability to get involved with preservation IMO. This is not my usual stance, but considering the targets and the location and apparent depth of the decay, this seems like an easy rec to make.

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[/ QUOTE ]Truer words were never spoken--and that includes all you jokers making decisions before the facts are in.
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How bad is the rot up above? that is question #1. Answer it by cleaning out the soft stuff and probing, or call to mississauga for a tomograph--betcha can get a steep discount! or microdrill

Until it's answered this virtual condemnation bs is all hissing in the wind.
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the rest is easier.
the bad fork can be probed, assessed and supported. pruning can be done.

evidence first. and rob there is NO way you can or should make recommendations on this without the budget for a full-blown assessment. list management options only, after you measure the rot.

or just listen to online advice based on images and coming from Basil Kutz Tree Service. Yeah that's competent!
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Camping with Guy could be hazardous to your health. I'd much rather play it safe.
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Trust me its way better in person, like the yoda impression at 7:30 in the morning that was spot on.
 
My understanding of braceing is once installed the Arborist becomes liable for the trees safety. Even though any care given could be considered responsibility for the tree's safety. I think it would still be considered an act of God if a healthy pruned tree for example caused damage.

A braced tree needs annual inspections of braces. This is fine in Rob's case where he's an on site Arborist but a different situation with private clients. Will they pay for ongoing inspections?

I do not cable anything. I just don't get that sentimental about a tree. I believe they are replaceable. No instant gratification but more realistic and cost effective.

We develop different perspectives depending on our enviroment. Say if you were in the middle of a desert a tree would be sacred. I see a continuous forest that runs north to the artic and all around the world so for me it's just a tree.

In a high traffic area I would remove and replace any tree I would not feel safe climbing. Good opportunity to break up a same species row.
 
Boreality, very well reasoned. The sentimentality is a very big issue here and is simply confusing the matter. Four trees from this row are already gone (~12 years ago) and you would not have believed the drama! That negative P.R. is probably the main reason this is not a simple closed case.
I've known this tree a long time but at this point I am washing my hands of it. I can only give my own opinion, as well as potential actions for preservation, but that's it. There are many people out there with better hazard tree evaluation credentials than me, and a big part of stepping out of this decision is to recommend that route.

In truth, my approach to tree preservation changed drastically when I had kids. Now I ask myself "would I let that tree stand over my kids' sandbox?" and my answers tend to be a bit different now. That's not to say I'm condemming this particular tree, it just means it wouldn't be in my yard.

A big thanks to (almost) everyone on this thread to this point, you've been really great. The differing opinions, thoughts, and experiences are what keeps me coming back to TreeBuzz. What a great resource!
I'll keep you informed.
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so no one wanted to look at the options, or examine further? o well.
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"My understanding of braceing is once installed the Arborist becomes liable for the trees safety."

not if the owner decides; that is why arborist describes not recommends.

"A braced tree needs annual inspections of braces."

only if specified--there is no such rule or law.

"I do not cable anything. removal...more realistic and cost effective."

bracing and cabling very realistic--done for centuries; why are arbos so shy in 2010?

"We develop different perspectives depending on our enviroment."

true; this tree is an isolated specimen, very different than one tree in a boreal forest.

good idea recommending advanced level 3 assessment if you are not ready to do it. maybe they will hire ufi. if they do i betcha a nickel ufi will suggest similar options to the painted picture. just don't show it to him
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systematic assessor keeps options open and lets owner decide. not rocket surgery, or brain science. and we do sleep well at night.

It'sall good.
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I was wondering if the campus doesn't have a lift around for construction projects that may allow better end weight reduction on the bad lead. I think that there was a picture up that had red lines "painted" on it, and I think that Guy suggested too much reduction to execerbate the heart rot problem. With the picture gone at the moment I can't check. I remember something about Rob saying about not climbing on parts of it.

I also noticed that part of the crown in the left side of the picture is coming from the central trunk. If a strong reduction happened, there could still be some less questionable branches filling that space, making it more aesthetically even, and losing less of the overall canopy. I'd be interested to see it from the reverse angle, and from the other two direction as well.

Its been an interesting topic.

Still public safety on a campus is a huge factor.
 
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