Changes at SHERRILLtree

Tobe,

I'm not going to respond in this space to your slander and defamation. I'm surprised and disappointed, but I have to work tomorrow. If you have something to say 317.281.1014 any time.
No slander, no deffamation my friend, the messages depart from your address and with your name. If you're going to activate that kind of campaign, be man enough to admit it.
Guess you're not accustomed to this end of the arrow.
I'll call in the morning.
 
Well it's gone quiet with everyone back to work after a lovely weekend. A little friendly banter is all good.

Innovative and useful products, highest quality manufacturing and testing, reliable global distribution, successful inventors & suppliers, and super safe and happy tree humans (& TreeBuzz) is all we need.

Or something like that. Time now to plan some climbing!
 
Good job Sean. It's hard to speak to the Canadian market except to say that Sherrilltree has zero control over Vermeer Canada, or any other dealer(s), just as our competitor(s) has not with dealers they resell to.

I don't understand how it works, Tobe, other than that shopping for Sherrill products at Vermeer sucks. Period.
I appreciate what Sean is doing or is trying to do, and it is good to see you back in the saddle, so to speak.

edit: Canada Vermeer, not USA
 
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Never mind. I remember why I stopped ordering from sherrill. Good luck!
This is actually one of my problems with treestuff...all the discount codes and free stuff. Things cost money, and the money they dont get on discounted/free products has to made up somewhere. The question is where it is....

Think of it as your own tree business...giving coupons and free tree work to your customers.

The ony code I know about with sherrill is being a TCIA member and a percentage of purchases go towards your dues.



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I understand the concept.

Yet from a retail stand point, more sales at less pricing equals less sales at a higher price. So ill buy more at a discounted price, and more people will shop their doing the same.

I like using coupons, but sure dont like giving them out. :bananahappy:
 
This is actually one of my problems with treestuff...all the discount codes and free stuff. Things cost money, and the money they dont get on discounted/free products has to made up somewhere. The question is where it is....

This is an excellent point. Free stuff, jambos and discounts do cost a lot of money. We aren't making it up somewhere else.

My wife, Erin and I own 100% of TreeStuff. She's 32, I'm 35. I'm super proud of what we are building, but I drive a 2004 Ford Ranger and work way too much. I even spent my Easter on an online forum responding to attacks from a retired millionaire. ;)
 
I understand the concept.

Yet from a retail stand point, more sales at less pricing equals less sales at a higher price. So ill buy more at a discounted price, and more people will shop their doing the same.

Yeah, I realize selling product is slightly different the selling a service.

But in my opinion this model only works for the short term, it doesn't fully balance out. One starts cutting corners to make up for the lost of profit. Whether it is using cheaper products, doing products in house instead of buying the original product, out sourcing from third world etc. A lot of the above things Sherrill did at one time...and lost a lot of customers due to it. Then Treestuff came along to suck up those customers. In the last 2 years I've seen treestuff doing some of the same things that sherrill did above (part of growing too fast I think...for both).

So your willing to lower all your tree prices by 15 percent to hopefully do more work, under bidding your competition, and increase profit?

Just my outside view of things. I try to buy from both companies, because they both have done a lot for the industry.

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This is an excellent point. Free stuff, jambos and discounts do cost a lot of money. We aren't making it up somewhere else.

My wife, Erin and I own 100% of TreeStuff. She's 32, I'm 35. I'm super proud of what we are building, but I drive a 2004 Ford Ranger and work way too much. I even spent my Easter on an online forum responding to attacks from a retired millionaire. ;)
That is cool.

But I think it would be prudent to listen to Tobe's advice on growth etc. He made Sherrill what is was back in the day...the place to go as a Arborist. Then due to growing too fast etc it started to crumple, after he sold his part out (hence his "millions"). It crumpled to the point he had to come back.

Is that the road you want to be on? Cause personally I think you may be at a pivotal point on which road your on.

As a small owner I would love to sit down a learn from a large business owner to learn the pitfalls etc...even if he is the competition.

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Anybody ever notice that you can buy a good cup of good tasting coffee (and a muffin) at a Canadian McDonalds, yet you go to the USA, and the coffee there tastes like undrinkable swill, and no muffin deal?
What's with that?
McDonald's in Canada having to compete with Tim Horton's I feel is a BIG part of it. Sure they have similar franchises in the US, but none that have a stranglehold quite like Tim's does over us.
 
So your willing to lower all your tree prices by 15 percent to hopefully do more work, under bidding your competition, and increase profit?

Just my outside view of things. I try to buy from both companies, because they both have done a lot for the industry.

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No. I sell a service not a product. My price is based off my operating costs, i try not to let myself worry what the other guys operating costs are. Sometimes i win sometimes i lose.

From a retail side maybe they get a better bulk price because they buy more/sell more. Thats great that its passed onto us who know about a 5%-x% code.

I wonder what percent uses coupon codes, its surely not like 100% of people are using them. Prob us online forum world.
 
No. I sell a service not a product. My price is based off my operating costs, i try not to let myself worry what the other guys operating costs are. Sometimes i win sometimes i lose.

From a retail side maybe they get a better bulk price because they buy more/sell more. Thats great that its passed onto us who know about a 5%-x% code.

I wonder what percent uses coupon codes, its surely not like 100% of people are using them. Prob us online forum world.
Operating costs plus profit mark up...same as a product (office/employee costs (which is spread out over all products)+product cost+mark up). It is basically the same, except a product has a more fixed cost and you don't have to worry about going over time on a job.

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Anybody ever notice that you can buy a good cup of good tasting coffee (and a muffin) at a Canadian McDonalds, yet you go to the USA, and the coffee there tastes like undrinkable swill, and no muffin deal?
What's with that?
Dave,
We'll get another chance to try the American coffee taste off in about a weeks time.(y)
Myself, I'm starting to convert to Starbucks lately. I'll have to see if the US version is different.
 
What an interesting thread. It's like a multidimensional universe converging. Retailers and clients, competitors, product sales vs. service sales, etc....

Until I had worked in retail management I had the same simplified view of the cost + overhead model. It's much more complicated than that. What we don't see behind the scenes is the competition from the wholesales, manufacturers and distributors for that valuable shelf/page/web placement. Nor do we see the incentives offered to move product through increasing discounts at volume thresholds, rebates for the retailer or longer payment terms. Profit points are often sacrificed to just move more of a given item. You would be surprised at where profits are made and that it's not evenly distributed through the product line or even the year. Think of loss leaders in a grocery store and where they are placed as a prime example of how it works in one aspect.

The point being, for us customers we need not worry ourselves over how they're making their money but focus on their comparative benefits to us. Much alike to how our client's purchase our services, it's based on the value proposition for each individual. I'm not sure how much actual market research Tobe or Luke have done to inform them of this but from my experience the really big boys have and do in order to tweak their presence to target "their customer". For instance, bricks and mortar retailers know why their customers walk into their stores. The layout, merchandising, cleanliness, and all the rest doesn't happen by chance. It's geared to the segment of the market that values it and will pay extra for it. Anyone else walks away and, the retailer may just open up another shop targeted to those segments under different names.

From my own value proposition, I look for quality products at competitive prices, availability, knowledgeable, honest staff, timeliness, excellent after sales service and warranty support. What I don't value is hair splitting, hidden caveats and failed follow through. It was these latter points that led me to drop Sherrill as a go to.

That it's taken this long for Sherrill to start to right the ship is going to make it more expensive to win back customers. Had they been quicker to address the shortcomings instead of defending or excusing them would've made a huge difference in, at least, my attitude toward returning. Once bitten, twice shy......
 

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